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Post by wewerepr on Nov 14, 2021 14:27:27 GMT
These people are hiding predators. You thought the Roman Catholic church was bad? Did you try reading this site? Did it ever cross your mind why they don't want you reading this site? This should speak volumes. Demand better. Do better. Be better. here we are again. perhaps you are going to sit in a pew? perhaps this is the week you say something?
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Post by JohnOrange on Nov 14, 2021 19:59:38 GMT
These people are hiding predators. You thought the Roman Catholic church was bad? Did you try reading this site? Did it ever cross your mind why they don't want you reading this site? This should speak volumes. Demand better. Do better. Be better. here we are again. perhaps you are going to sit in a pew? perhaps this is the week you say something? I've noticed that whatever the alleged sermon text is, many or most times, a whole lot of sermon verbiage is devoted to "Obey the leaders, for in doing so, you are obeying God, which is your obligation". In that kind of environment, it's not too surprising that predators flourish. Edit: and in particular, women and children are specifically exhorted or commanded to submit and obey, even when it might be against their own judgment (because of course, their own ability to think cannot take precedence of the wise patriarchal husband, elder and pastor). The focus on submissive women and children appears to be a weird fixation.
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Post by wewerepr on Jan 21, 2022 16:13:01 GMT
These people are hiding predators. You thought the Roman Catholic church was bad? Did you try reading this site? Did it ever cross your mind why they don't want you reading this site? This should speak volumes. Demand better. Do better. Be better. Above is the beginning of this thread. Your particular church in the PRCA may not be "bad", may not be hiding predators, charlatans, or even "whores" according to the latest definition. And you may never leave your local PRC. And somehow you may be a growing believer sitting in that pew/chair. You may have escaped the worst of the "main line" churches in the denom. (as per Rev. Bruinsma's comment about why he prefers the mission field of Pittsburgh). But maybe NOW you agree now that the Protestant Reformed Church has/had a predator(s)? And has serious problems? That's fine, sit there, worship there, grow there...but don't pretend it's not real. And please look at your children and protect them, put lots of PARENTAL control around them. the last line still applies too: Demand better. Do better. Be better.
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Post by questioneverything on Jan 21, 2022 16:24:18 GMT
These people are hiding predators. You thought the Roman Catholic church was bad? Did you try reading this site? Did it ever cross your mind why they don't want you reading this site? This should speak volumes. Demand better. Do better. Be better. Above is the beginning of this thread. Your particular church in the PRCA may not be "bad", may not be hiding predators, charlatans, or even "whores" according to the latest definition. And you may never leave your local PRC. And somehow you may be a growing believer sitting in that pew/chair. You may have escaped the worst of the "main line" churches in the denom. (as per Rev. Bruinsma's comment about why he prefers the mission field of Pittsburgh). But maybe NOW you agree now that the Protestant Reformed Church has/had a predator(s)? And has serious problems? That's fine, sit there, worship there, grow there...but don't pretend it's not real. And please look at your children and protect them, put lots of PARENTAL control around them. the last line still applies too: Demand better. Do better. Be better. Do better, be better, find better. Leave extremism, it's never safe.
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Post by xprcanon on Jan 21, 2022 20:03:34 GMT
Above is the beginning of this thread. Your particular church in the PRCA may not be "bad", may not be hiding predators, charlatans, or even "whores" according to the latest definition. And you may never leave your local PRC. And somehow you may be a growing believer sitting in that pew/chair. You may have escaped the worst of the "main line" churches in the denom. (as per Rev. Bruinsma's comment about why he prefers the mission field of Pittsburgh). But maybe NOW you agree now that the Protestant Reformed Church has/had a predator(s)? And has serious problems? That's fine, sit there, worship there, grow there...but don't pretend it's not real. And please look at your children and protect them, put lots of PARENTAL control around them. the last line still applies too: Demand better. Do better. Be better. Do better, be better, find better. Leave extremism, it's never safe. Agreed. Just leave. Don't try to "sit there, worship there, and grow there". Growth in the PRC is nearly impossible. Growth requires introspection, asking hard questions, open dialogue, challenging beliefs - all of which are heartily discouraged in the PRC. "Sit down, shut up, and stay in line" isn't exactly a growth-oriented environment.
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Post by Andatlastiseethelight on Jan 22, 2022 21:00:51 GMT
Just realize, so many people have sat in the pew before you—succumbing to yet another Sunday being told you’re worthless without the church, serve the church and the church will serve you...(we have seen what that thinking amounts to, recently).
I hope you see that when the church takes the spotlight off Jesus, off your identity as individual, spotlight off of what they do behind the the scenes to make things look perfect, that the worship gets distorted too. The gospel is hidden. The pastors may be “untouchable”/yet burdened with too much responsibility.
The ritual of it all may be comforting, but that’s all what it is.
There is life/hope outside those walls. Doesn’t need to be filled to the brim hurting/hopeless/depressed people being told there is no other place for them.
Empty threats don’t avail much. The comfort/security of your families in the PRC is built upon maintaining the status quo—forcing those who question out. Forcing those who see nuance in the black/white approach to everything as being overly simplistic, otherwise flat-out abusive.
Papers of membership are just that. They don’t hold you. They don’t bind you. They don’t define you.
A different life can be waiting for you.
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Post by wewerepr on Jan 30, 2022 14:50:30 GMT
These people are hiding predators. You thought the Roman Catholic church was bad? Did you try reading this site? Did it ever cross your mind why they don't want you reading this site? This should speak volumes. Demand better. Do better. Be better. Just a reminder…..
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Post by wewerepr on Feb 6, 2022 15:17:04 GMT
These people are hiding predators. You thought the Roman Catholic church was bad? Did you try reading this site? Did it ever cross your mind why they don't want you reading this site? This should speak volumes. Demand better. Do better. Be better. . Hellooo…were you in the pew today? Do you believe this post? Any of it? Even just a little bit? Well…what will you do? Anything? Do something.
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Post by wewerepr on Feb 13, 2022 0:58:57 GMT
These people are hiding predators. You thought the Roman Catholic church was bad? Did you try reading this site? Did it ever cross your mind why they don't want you reading this site? This should speak volumes. Demand better. Do better. Be better. Let's examine this original post. The subject is important: As you sit in the pew this weekend. That mean in a PRCA church pew. Here's a list of the PRCA (maybe a touch out of date): exprc.freeforums.net/post/1715Next item: "These people" who IS these people This is harder to link to, each of the ministers in the churches listed above. each of the elders. each of the deacons. Each of the seminary faculty. well by gone it....each of these people......that means each member sitting in a pew. Next: " are hiding predators."exprc.freeforums.net/post/12832exprc.freeforums.net/post/12861exprc.freeforums.net/post/21419exprc.freeforums.net/post/20454exprc.freeforums.net/post/17870(I consider bullying a type of predator) There are SO MANY POSTS about the hiding. "Did you try reading this site?" it's tough, this site is so real it's hard to stomach sometimes. but slog through it, use it as information to help you understand. Did it ever cross your mind why they don't want you reading this site?
exprc.freeforums.net/post/2814/threadDemand better. Do better. Be better.
1 John 1: 5-10 Matthew 6: 12 This is just a pathetic attempt to remind you, you can demand better. you can do better. You've got to, your kids are worth it. And I hope the links work, I'm not a typist.
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Post by wewerepr on Feb 20, 2022 14:45:32 GMT
These people are hiding predators. You thought the Roman Catholic church was bad? Did you try reading this site? Did it ever cross your mind why they don't want you reading this site? This should speak volumes. Demand better. Do better. Be better. The problem isn’t sin in the church, there’s always going to be that. The problem is the coverup. You are part of the church, don’t be part of the coverup.
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Post by questioneverything on Feb 20, 2022 21:01:32 GMT
These people are hiding predators. You thought the Roman Catholic church was bad? Did you try reading this site? Did it ever cross your mind why they don't want you reading this site? This should speak volumes. Demand better. Do better. Be better. The problem isn’t sin in the church, there’s always going to be that. The problem is the coverup. You are part of the church, don’t be part of the coverup. Too often the problem is the church in the sin.
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Post by wewerepr on Mar 5, 2022 21:28:45 GMT
exprc.freeforums.net/post/17882This is susposed to be a link to a post in the thread: When leaders can't or won't advocate for change. You should read the whole thread. prnolongers post: April 15, 2021 read that one at least thanks andatlast for refreshing the mind
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Post by wewerepr on Mar 6, 2022 14:26:31 GMT
THere's a new user name, something like: I'mexhaustedfromtheabuse. There is abuse, in the church, and you who sit in the pews ARE part of it. Do something about that. Speak up. Be better. Demand better.
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Post by wewerepr on May 1, 2022 23:53:48 GMT
These people are hiding predators. You thought the Roman Catholic church was bad? Did you try reading this site? Did it ever cross your mind why they don't want you reading this site? This should speak volumes. Demand better. Do better. Be better. You sat in the pew. You might have seen/read the recent Standard Bearer. Do you think it's all better now? It's been "taken care of"? or perhaps "it's only in that church over there?" Demand better. Do better. Be better.
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Post by philestine on May 2, 2022 19:08:13 GMT
These people are hiding predators. You thought the Roman Catholic church was bad? Did you try reading this site? Did it ever cross your mind why they don't want you reading this site? This should speak volumes. Demand better. Do better. Be better. You sat in the pew. You might have seen/read the recent Standard Bearer. Do you think it's all better now? It's been "taken care of"? or perhaps "it's only in that church over there?" Demand better. Do better. Be better. Is there any way to read the current Standard Bearer online or post a link here? Curious who has read it and if anyone is willing to share high level the articles containing these courageous women. Sounds like the issue is the SB has been out for awhile - not hearing any uproar from within which is sad. Church members should be demanding answers and pews should be empty until real change happens
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