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Post by wewerepr on Aug 7, 2022 12:49:46 GMT
The only change you can truly do is changing your habits, and pushing yourself out of your comfort zone. The church is going to take serious infrastructure changes in order to change, if at all—-however, we all have the capability of doing the next right thing, however small. What is today’s “next right thing “ for you to do? Do that. Perhaps today is the day to sit in a non pr pew? Then do that. You will never regret it. Never.
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Post by wewerepr on Aug 13, 2022 14:44:43 GMT
"Actually, I just want to say a number: zero." There is no reason to sit in that prc pew tomorrow. Zero.
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Post by questioneverything on Aug 13, 2022 17:18:18 GMT
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Post by Hw on Aug 16, 2022 19:29:58 GMT
What a truly fascinating read. Thank you for sharing this.
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Post by wewerepr on Aug 28, 2022 13:42:13 GMT
Everything has been declassified. Ask your elders about those discipline cases, and visit that church you've been thinking about.
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Post by wewerepr on Aug 31, 2022 9:49:22 GMT
These people are hiding predators. You thought the Roman Catholic church was bad? Did you try reading this site? Did it ever cross your mind why they don't want you reading this site? This should speak volumes. Demand better. Do better. Be better. it's the children, stupid. Demand better, Do better, Be better for the/your children. Better yet LEAVE for the/your children.
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Post by wewerepr on Sept 4, 2022 11:47:01 GMT
These people are hiding predators. You thought the Roman Catholic church was bad? Did you try reading this site? Did it ever cross your mind why they don't want you reading this site? This should speak volumes. Demand better. Do better. Be better. Here’s another week gone by and the above post is proven out again. Don’t kid yourself…the problem isn’t just “over there in Michigan”, and the answer isn’t just “for someone else to figure out”. You who sit in that pr pew today, you! You should demand better, do better, be better OR you should leave.
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Post by prnolonger on Sept 4, 2022 14:26:06 GMT
I gotta say wewerepr , I am truly impressed at your revisiting of this thread week after week. It's very obvious to me that it is important to you to keep the regular heartbeat up reminding people to think about all the awful stuff on this forum while they sit in the pews at a PR church. For some of us, it took ages to leave because we could keep convincing ourselves that whatever problem we were focused on was just a one-off, or the problem really wasn't that bad, or such-n-such doesn't actually know about the problem, and whatever else excuse needed to self-delude and keep going. It took a lot of thinking and struggling week after week to get in the mindset of "I am leaving. I cannot stay here". For me, a lot of that thinking was done in the pews of a PR church, particularly before a service started. My conscience simply would not rest. Your dedication to this thread has reminded me what that feeling was like. It makes me realize that there are plenty of people who went through that same experience. I hope PR's reading this thread can see this and understand that themselves. If you're struggling to sit in church week after week without having your mind race with all the awful things the church is doing and feeling conflicted about whether or not you should stay PR - so did a lot of us ex-PR's. Stop torturing yourself. Just leave.
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Post by igottalightup on Sept 5, 2022 2:12:07 GMT
I gotta say wewerepr , I am truly impressed at your revisiting of this thread week after week. It's very obvious to me that it is important to you to keep the regular heartbeat up reminding people to think about all the awful stuff on this forum while they sit in the pews at a PR church. For some of us, it took ages to leave because we could keep convincing ourselves that whatever problem we were focused on was just a one-off, or the problem really wasn't that bad, or such-n-such doesn't actually know about the problem, and whatever else excuse needed to self-delude and keep going. It took a lot of thinking and struggling week after week to get in the mindset of "I am leaving. I cannot stay here". For me, a lot of that thinking was done in the pews of a PR church, particularly before a service started. My conscience simply would not rest. Your dedication to this thread has reminded me what that feeling was like. It makes me realize that there are plenty of people who went through that same experience. I hope PR's reading this thread can see this and understand that themselves. If you're struggling to sit in church week after week without having your mind race with all the awful things the church is doing and feeling conflicted about whether or not you should stay PR - so did a lot of us ex-PR's. Stop torturing yourself. Just leave. prnolonger your story is earily familar and fairly common to those who have left. The story of those who have left is almost always happily familiar too! There is tremendous happiness outside of the PRC. The narrative of having nowhere else to go is completely false. There is joy. There is true joy!
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Post by wewerepr on Sept 11, 2022 12:32:34 GMT
I gotta say wewerepr , I am truly impressed at your revisiting of this thread week after week. It's very obvious to me that it is important to you to keep the regular heartbeat up reminding people to think about all the awful stuff on this forum while they sit in the pews at a PR church. For some of us, it took ages to leave because we could keep convincing ourselves that whatever problem we were focused on was just a one-off, or the problem really wasn't that bad, or such-n-such doesn't actually know about the problem, and whatever else excuse needed to self-delude and keep going. It took a lot of thinking and struggling week after week to get in the mindset of "I am leaving. I cannot stay here". For me, a lot of that thinking was done in the pews of a PR church, particularly before a service started. My conscience simply would not rest. Your dedication to this thread has reminded me what that feeling was like. It makes me realize that there are plenty of people who went through that same experience. I hope PR's reading this thread can see this and understand that themselves. If you're struggling to sit in church week after week without having your mind race with all the awful things the church is doing and feeling conflicted about whether or not you should stay PR - so did a lot of us ex-PR's. Stop torturing yourself. Just leave. "awful things the church is doing" the leadership in the prc....not just the professors or ministers...but the elders and each individual man (because women can not be in leadership) are ALLOWING awful things to happen. Awful awful things. horrible. "did nothing more"....from a prc report analized in the blog "a strait betwixt two" (spelling?)... Professor Gritters and Rev. Key (by his lack of action) DID NOTHING MORE after knowing about sin "in the camp." The leaders in the pr are doing nothing more. Not much, if anything is done in secret....people know and do nothing about these awful things...and guess what? THIS IS YOU NOW!now you know....what will you do?one more: "the beatings will continue until morale improves" in the pr you can expect more of the same
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Post by cannalily on Sept 12, 2022 13:04:58 GMT
I gotta say wewerepr , I am truly impressed at your revisiting of this thread week after week. It's very obvious to me that it is important to you to keep the regular heartbeat up reminding people to think about all the awful stuff on this forum while they sit in the pews at a PR church. For some of us, it took ages to leave because we could keep convincing ourselves that whatever problem we were focused on was just a one-off, or the problem really wasn't that bad, or such-n-such doesn't actually know about the problem, and whatever else excuse needed to self-delude and keep going. It took a lot of thinking and struggling week after week to get in the mindset of "I am leaving. I cannot stay here". For me, a lot of that thinking was done in the pews of a PR church, particularly before a service started. My conscience simply would not rest. Your dedication to this thread has reminded me what that feeling was like. It makes me realize that there are plenty of people who went through that same experience. I hope PR's reading this thread can see this and understand that themselves. If you're struggling to sit in church week after week without having your mind race with all the awful things the church is doing and feeling conflicted about whether or not you should stay PR - so did a lot of us ex-PR's. Stop torturing yourself. Just leave. "awful things the church is doing" the leadership in the prc....not just the professors or ministers...but the elders and each individual man (because women can not be in leadership) are ALLOWING awful things to happen. Awful awful things. horrible. "did nothing more"....from a prc report analized in the blog "a strait betwixt two" (spelling?)... Professor Gritters and Rev. Key (by his lack of action) DID NOTHING MORE after knowing about sin "in the camp." The leaders in the pr are doing nothing more. Not much, if anything is done in secret....people know and do nothing about these awful things...and guess what? THIS IS YOU NOW!now you know....what will you do?one more: "the beatings will continue until morale improves" in the pr you can expect more of the same I wonder how many people are using their phones during the service to read this site?
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Post by wewerepr on Sept 17, 2022 23:53:10 GMT
The leaders in the prc hide predators (from the original post). the leaders in the prc hide. the ministers, the elders, the deacons, the men...they all hide sin which should be exposed, repented of, and dealt with. if you sit in that pew tomorrow you are choosing to follow leaders who hide sin. you do NOT have to sit in that pew. the prc lies when it states it is the "only true church" there are other churches, you can find one and attend there.
the corruption of the leaders is what finally tore me away. I finally saw that the leaders were more interested in their church, not Jesus, more interested in keeping traditions rather than the Bible, the leaders were more interested in protecting their institution and its leaders than in Christian truth... I saw that the prc was more interested in keeping the children in the dark instead of helping the children learn and live about Christ.. Hiding sin, hiding sinful ministers....this is corrupt leadership.
the leaders in the prc are hiding sin. can you still be a follower?
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Post by wewerepr on Sept 25, 2022 21:07:00 GMT
You probably want to demand better…but know you’ll be put under discipline. You probably can do better…but that means leaving the pr. Sitting in that pew again today you’ve probably not done any better, It’s the kids stupid, do something better for the kids.
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Post by wewerepr on Oct 2, 2022 13:41:01 GMT
what you see is what you have there will be no "better" in the prc "there, I've said it"
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Post by Andatlastiseethelight on Oct 2, 2022 17:37:37 GMT
There is deep generational wounds that may need to be faced if you finally summon the courage to step out, and step away.
Doing something for your betterment often takes pain, and layers of growth—but a real desire to seek truth outside of the wall of conformity.
Post covid, there are lots of church going through this very struggle but maybe not to the depths of the PRC. You will see that many other people you may have disregarded are good people with very similar struggles you are facing too —coming from all walks of life, and many different kinds of churches/backgrounds.
You may be surprised what is in store for you in the “outside”. A whole “new” world. Maybe a bit less judgmental. A bit less controlling. A bit less formal. A lot more gracious.
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