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Post by theycallmetheseeker on Sept 12, 2021 1:43:21 GMT
2,190 families 8,700 members total in the PRC church. Pretty sure everyone can do the math I had more children since I was in the prca than I would have if I hadn’t been. This is THE ONE blessing , the one good thing, that came from my journey into and out of the PRCA. I NEVER considered my children as the PRCA’’s children . God’s child perhaps but not the PRC’s. Indeed when it was made clear to me that the prca wanted my children : that was a reason to leave. You can not have my children, NO! And thankfully none are left in that denomination, it was close there was one who wanted to stay, but in the end they too left. When I hear of the PRC growing I inwardly groan because I know it’s from the addition, the capture, the growth from children. To put that number in perspective, the total PRC membership is equal in number to a week of US COVID deaths (1,300 a day).
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Post by fellowhuman on Sept 12, 2021 12:27:25 GMT
Ooh, I'll report you for that one. The correct response is "May the Lord open."
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Post by questioneverything on Sept 12, 2021 14:06:09 GMT
I had more children since I was in the prca than I would have if I hadn’t been. This is THE ONE blessing , the one good thing, that came from my journey into and out of the PRCA. I NEVER considered my children as the PRCA’’s children . God’s child perhaps but not the PRC’s. Indeed when it was made clear to me that the prca wanted my children : that was a reason to leave. You can not have my children, NO! And thankfully none are left in that denomination, it was close there was one who wanted to stay, but in the end they too left. When I hear of the PRC growing I inwardly groan because I know it’s from the addition, the capture, the growth from children. To put that number in perspective, the total PRC membership is equal in number to a week of US COVID deaths (1,300 a day). Or, approximately 0.000348% of the world's Christian population. The remnant.
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Post by tryingtoleave on Sept 12, 2021 16:35:50 GMT
I mean evangelism and missions in the prc are just such a huge priority I don’t understand… lol What do you call evangelism and missions class in the PRC? Sex education. What poses a great threat to PRC evangelism? Condoms and oral sex. What do you call an evangelism committee in the PRC? An orgy. What do you call a PRC missionary? A sex position. What do you call a PR mission field? A bed. To add to this, they also discourage adoption...
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Post by searching4truth on Sept 13, 2021 23:00:10 GMT
What do you call evangelism and missions class in the PRC? Sex education. What poses a great threat to PRC evangelism? Condoms and oral sex. What do you call an evangelism committee in the PRC? An orgy. What do you call a PRC missionary? A sex position. What do you call a PR mission field? A bed. To add to this, they also discourage adoption... What is the reasoning you have heard for this? Something about “covenant seed?”
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Post by wewerepr on Sept 13, 2021 23:04:40 GMT
To add to this, they also discourage adoption... What is the reasoning you have heard for this? Something about “covenant seed?” Yes. An adopted child is not from the covenant seed. We aren't God so we don't know but adoption is not a great option in the PRCA, better to stay childless and find your calling in that. A sad church.
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Post by searching4truth on Sept 13, 2021 23:06:56 GMT
What is the reasoning you have heard for this? Something about “covenant seed?” Yes. An adopted child is not from the covenant seed. We aren't God so we don't know but adoption is not a great option in the PRCA, better to stay childless and find your calling in that. A sad church. Disgustingly sad .
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Post by tryingtoleave on Sept 14, 2021 1:19:53 GMT
Yes, I know of families who were talked out of adoption by ministers and/ or the consistory
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Post by searching4truth on Sept 14, 2021 1:22:02 GMT
Yes, I know of families who were talked out of adoption by ministers and/ or the consistory How recently? Just curious
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Post by tryingtoleave on Sept 14, 2021 1:30:17 GMT
Yes, I know of families who were talked out of adoption by ministers and/ or the consistory How recently? Just curious 10 or 20 years ago
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 11:33:40 GMT
I sat through a catechism class that hand motions were used to show how the covenant seed was passed on. It was hysterical, use your imagination. Also was subjected to a conversation of why adopting was unwise because of covenant blood lines . . . . .
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Post by enlightened on Sept 14, 2021 11:45:44 GMT
I sat through a catechism class that hand motions were used to show how the covenant seed was passed on. It was hysterical, use your imagination. Also was subjected to a conversation of why adopting was unwise because of covenant blood lines . . . . . Sounds eerily similar to the nazi way of thinking. Keep the blood lines pure!
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Post by searching4truth on Sept 14, 2021 11:55:48 GMT
This makes me so angry 😡 but also makes other things make sense. Like how they view missions and evangelism, etc. I wonder if it’s still the mindset today or if that’s changed .
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Post by crazychurch on Sept 14, 2021 12:03:01 GMT
This makes me so angry 😡 but also makes other things make sense. Like how they view missions and evangelism, etc. I wonder if it’s still the mindset today or if that’s changed . Read the forum. You have flat earthers involved here. LOL And you think THIS is any different?
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Post by prnolonger on Sept 14, 2021 13:39:20 GMT
This is one of the areas where I see continued improvement in the PRC. The resistance and hesitancy to adoption absolutely was the PR hardline, and the older ministers will likely harbor and spread those opinions today. It may be that they would relent on a couple that was having trouble conceiving, that they may adopt because the LORD led them to those circumstances. I know a couple people my age (late 20's, early 30's) that believe adoption is wrong. I've certainly heard the stories of adopted kids in the PRC, especially non-white kids, and it is heartbreaking. The environment is not yet suitable to have adopted kids in the PRC and expect it to be the same as the non-adopted kids, that much is true. The younger generation of ministers though is not continuing that tradition, and that is to their credit. This attitude of being pro-adoption is generally paired with the idea of how we are all adopted by God. Adopting a child is a picture of how God adopts each one of us through the blood of Christ. This strain of thinking in the PRC has been around for a long time ( here is Rev Kortering in 1961), but it is in my opinion that only recently this is starting to wind its way to being majority opinion in the PRC. It used to be that adoption would only be tolerated if the couple could not have children of their own for some reason ( here is an example from 1993). Now, I can think of several PR families who have adopted children alongside their natural-born children, including some high profile families. When it comes to adoption, it's still a mixed bag in the PRC, but the mix is more good than bad and I see plenty of evidence that it will improve over time. I also know of at least one younger PR minister preaching that adoption is a calling from God that we are not allowed to judge, and that it is sinful to treat adopted children differently. That's progress. It's a shame it has to be heard, but it's to their credit that they have identified a problem and are making an effort at a cultural change. Cultural change is a gargantuan barrier in the PRC, and I wish them luck.
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