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Post by theycallmetheseeker on Sept 17, 2021 12:31:39 GMT
When my wife and I made the announcement to our PR family that we were adopting, one of the first comments was, “I hope the child is in the covenant.” What a stupid thing to say. Nothing like showing what a piece of shit you are by talking about how God might send your kid to hell for no reason. What kind of person thinks this is a reasonable conversation topic, and thinks that a just, loving God would do such a thing? I'm sorry you had to go through that, and I hope your extended family has started to behave better towards you and your family. Rather than smile and nod, I starting called people out on things like this. It takes some doing to start, but I figured that I have no desire to associate with people who say such things. Some have apologized, and I take that to mean I at least started them on a road of introspection.
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Post by curiouscat on Sept 23, 2021 19:41:01 GMT
How recently? Just curious 10 or 20 years ago Still happens today. Probably less from pastors and elders, but that mentality is still highly prevalent among the members. In many PRs eyes, adoption is as taboo (or more) as marrying a non-pr
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Post by JohnOrange on Sept 23, 2021 20:39:25 GMT
Still happens today. Probably less from pastors and elders, but that mentality is still highly prevalent among the members. In many PRs eyes, adoption is as taboo (or more) a s marrying a non-prIf marrying a non-PR is discouraged, then given the small population of PRs, at some point is there concern about inbreeding and genetic defects? I'm not a biologist so maybe 8000 people is a big enough population so that this isn't a concern. I've heard it can be an issue in other insular groups, like Orthodox Jews.
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Post by questioneverything on Sept 23, 2021 20:45:25 GMT
Still happens today. Probably less from pastors and elders, but that mentality is still highly prevalent among the members. In many PRs eyes, adoption is as taboo (or more) a s marrying a non-prIf marrying a non-PR is discouraged, then given the small population of PRs, at some point is there concern about inbreeding and genetic defects? I'm not a biologist so maybe 8000 people is a big enough population so that this isn't a concern. I've heard it can be an issue in other insular groups, like Orthodox Jews. Too late...jk.
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Post by prnolonger on Sept 23, 2021 20:47:39 GMT
Still happens today. Probably less from pastors and elders, but that mentality is still highly prevalent among the members. In many PRs eyes, adoption is as taboo (or more) a s marrying a non-prIf marrying a non-PR is discouraged, then given the small population of PRs, at some point is there concern about inbreeding and genetic defects? I'm not a biologist so maybe 8000 people is a big enough population so that this isn't a concern. I've heard it can be an issue in other insular groups, like Orthodox Jews. 2nd cousins knowingly dating each other and people getting married without having to change last names are both things that have happened in the PRC to my knowledge. I don't know how prevalent it is, but it's not nonexistent.
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Post by throwaway2018 on Sept 23, 2021 20:55:50 GMT
Still happens today. Probably less from pastors and elders, but that mentality is still highly prevalent among the members. In many PRs eyes, adoption is as taboo (or more) a s marrying a non-prIf marrying a non-PR is discouraged, then given the small population of PRs, at some point is there concern about inbreeding and genetic defects? I'm not a biologist so maybe 8000 people is a big enough population so that this isn't a concern. I've heard it can be an issue in other insular groups, like Orthodox Jews. There are evolutionary bottlenecks that have been identified that are theorized to be much smaller than 8000. I've read that native Americans (as in all native americans, not just the ones in the US) probably descended from a group of about 70 people. It might be an issue from the perspective that more people leave the breeding pool than there are new people introduced. Even then, I don't think it really matters that much from a birth defects perspective. There might be a higher incidence of certain traits due to the low diversity but that happens in all sorts of non religious groups, like groups formed by geographical barriers, etc. I don't think it would ever get to be anything close to the kind of issues you see when reproducing with close relatives like cousins. I have no qualifications in this subject and this might all be bullshit. Be forewarned. Edit: Does anyone have any clue what the original population of dutch immigrants was that later split off and became the PRC? I believe they all would have been CRC first, or even the RCA if they came to the US during the earlier waves of immigration. It's basically however genetically diverse that original group was that would determine the incidence of genetic quirks.
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Post by enlightened on Sept 23, 2021 20:57:59 GMT
If marrying a non-PR is discouraged, then given the small population of PRs, at some point is there concern about inbreeding and genetic defects? I'm not a biologist so maybe 8000 people is a big enough population so that this isn't a concern. I've heard it can be an issue in other insular groups, like Orthodox Jews. 2nd cousins knowingly dating each other and people getting married without having to change last names are both things that have happened in the PRC to my knowledge. I don't know how prevalent it is, but it's not nonexistent. If you are from the Engelsma clan and live in Michigan you are pretty much screwed. There was a head count on the family a few years back and we were pushing 900 family members. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was closer to 1,000 by now.
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Post by questioneverything on Sept 23, 2021 21:08:51 GMT
2nd cousins knowingly dating each other and people getting married without having to change last names are both things that have happened in the PRC to my knowledge. I don't know how prevalent it is, but it's not nonexistent. If you are from the Engelsma clan and live in Michigan you are pretty much screwed. There was a head count on the family a few years back and we were pushing 900 family members. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was closer to 1,000 by now. Well, if the Engelsma's clan of kids start sporting bad eyesight and eyes so close together they're wearing monocles, start worrying.
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Post by cannalily on Sept 23, 2021 21:28:52 GMT
Still happens today. Probably less from pastors and elders, but that mentality is still highly prevalent among the members. In many PRs eyes, adoption is as taboo (or more) a s marrying a non-prIf marrying a non-PR is discouraged, then given the small population of PRs, at some point is there concern about inbreeding and genetic defects? I'm not a biologist so maybe 8000 people is a big enough population so that this isn't a concern. I've heard it can be an issue in other insular groups, like Orthodox Jews. But the Orthodox jews have cool hats! So there's that.
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Post by questioneverything on Sept 23, 2021 21:38:01 GMT
If marrying a non-PR is discouraged, then given the small population of PRs, at some point is there concern about inbreeding and genetic defects? I'm not a biologist so maybe 8000 people is a big enough population so that this isn't a concern. I've heard it can be an issue in other insular groups, like Orthodox Jews. But the Orthodox jews have cool hats! So there's that. "That's some bad hat, Harry."
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Post by questioneverything on Sept 23, 2021 22:02:58 GMT
If marrying a non-PR is discouraged, then given the small population of PRs, at some point is there concern about inbreeding and genetic defects? I'm not a biologist so maybe 8000 people is a big enough population so that this isn't a concern. I've heard it can be an issue in other insular groups, like Orthodox Jews. 2nd cousins knowingly dating each other and people getting married without having to change last names are both things that have happened in the PRC to my knowledge. I don't know how prevalent it is, but it's not nonexistent. Did you know a group of boars is called a "Singular"? I didn't until just recently. I did know a group of PRs were called that, but not boars. Poor boars.
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Post by maggie on Sept 24, 2021 0:34:36 GMT
What is the reasoning you have heard for this? Something about “covenant seed?” Yes. An adopted child is not from the covenant seed. We aren't God so we don't know but adoption is not a great option in the PRCA, better to stay childless and find your calling in that. A sad church. Rev W couldn't have kids so they adopted 2.
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Post by Hw on Oct 5, 2021 18:58:19 GMT
2nd cousins knowingly dating each other and people getting married without having to change last names are both things that have happened in the PRC to my knowledge. I don't know how prevalent it is, but it's not nonexistent. If you are from the Engelsma clan and live in Michigan you are pretty much screwed. There was a head count on the family a few years back and we were pushing 900 family members. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was closer to 1,000 by now. Imagine that hellish family reunion!! If I walked up, there would be whiplash galore and relatives rising from the grave in hopes of righteously condemning me. The family I am part of is enormous!! They are certainly good at reproduction!
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Post by enlightened on Oct 5, 2021 19:13:29 GMT
If you are from the Engelsma clan and live in Michigan you are pretty much screwed. There was a head count on the family a few years back and we were pushing 900 family members. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was closer to 1,000 by now. Imagine that hellish family reunion!! If I walked up, there would be whiplash galore and relatives rising from the grave in hopes of righteously condemning me. The family I am part of is enormous!! They are certainly good at reproduction! That family reunion happened. There was an old story about a brother that ran away from home and was never heard from again. This happened in the 1920’s. The Engelsma family was contacted by his kids and they held a big reunion and as many of the family members that could make it went. That’s when the head count was taken. You were included in that count.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 1:02:46 GMT
Blessed be the name of the LORD too, that this forum is growing. Or at least getting a lot of attention. Today, on Sunday October 10, there have been 128 members and 826 guests who have logged into this forum in the last 24 hours. I'm sorry, but that is f*****g unbelievable!
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