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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 14:30:57 GMT
Sad, reading these posts.
How such a small, ethnic religious establishment causes so much pain. An establishment whose most effective means of evangelism is sex. An establishment who must remain small to "protect" its unique identity, American Dutch. An identity so protected that the shunning of one's own children is acceptable, even venerated, because of not maintaining "like" thought and action. A parasitic, paranoid establishment, bolstering themselves on the conceived apostasy of those most close to themselves, leaving wreckage in almost every family. An establishment of Theological Righteousness, hiding behind particular grace. An establishment whose use of fear is textbook A dualistic establishment, wallowing in their separatism. I question any doctrine or theology that manifests itself in such sad, unnecessary, and contemptible subjects as in these posts.
Sad, reading these posts.
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Post by Admin on May 29, 2015 15:31:47 GMT
Hi yesterdaysnews! Thanks for posting.
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Post by freefromprc on May 30, 2015 1:03:37 GMT
Sad, reading these posts. How such a small, ethnic religious establishment causes so much pain. An establishment whose most effective means of evangelism is sex. An establishment who must remain small to "protect" its unique identity, American Dutch. An identity so protected that the shunning of one's own children is acceptable, even venerated, because of not maintaining "like" thought and action. A parasitic, paranoid establishment, bolstering themselves on the conceived apostasy of those most close to themselves, leaving wreckage in almost every family. An establishment of Theological Righteousness, hiding behind particular grace. An establishment whose use of fear is textbook A dualistic establishment, wallowing in their separatism. I question any doctrine or theology that manifests itself in such sad, unnecessary, and contemptible subjects as in these posts. Sad, reading these posts. Some thought went into that post. Accurate use of every word. I wish there was a way to have every member understand this.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 19:33:48 GMT
I would only add that yesterdaysnews put more than thought into their words...but wrote words of one who experienced these realities.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 0:29:07 GMT
And, on second thought. I write that I agree that the posts on this site are sad. But, I must also say that it's difficult for me to emotionally recall and remember the sadness I felt when I once was trapped in this form of thinking. It's been so long now. But, I can read and remember somewhat like an echo...the sadness, the entrapment, the circular thinking, the emphasis on being so perfect and holy and the fear of not being able to really admit without fear of rejection...that I was a sinner. Really, a sinner, not a pretty cleaned up and "chosen" sinner, but as lost as the lost, as equal with the "unchosen" kind of sinner-sinner. Now, only an EX PR would understand that long run on statement.
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Post by freefromprc on Jun 3, 2015 2:55:35 GMT
And, on second thought. I write that I agree that the posts on this site are sad. But, I must also say that it's difficult for me to emotionally recall and remember the sadness I felt when I once was trapped in this form of thinking. It's been so long now. But, I can read and remember somewhat like an echo...the sadness, the entrapment, the circular thinking, the emphasis on being so perfect and holy and the fear of not being able to really admit without fear of rejection...that I was a sinner. Really, a sinner, not a pretty cleaned up and "chosen" sinner, but as lost as the lost, as equal with the "unchosen" kind of sinner-sinner. Now, only an EX PR would understand that long run on statement. Having a tough time right now. As a non pr, do I invite a non pr friend to an event where there will be a lot of pr people? The friend thinks I am ashamed. The reality is I feel afraid.
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Post by NotSureWhatToPutHere on Aug 7, 2015 11:27:24 GMT
And, on second thought. I write that I agree that the posts on this site are sad. But, I must also say that it's difficult for me to emotionally recall and remember the sadness I felt when I once was trapped in this form of thinking. It's been so long now. But, I can read and remember somewhat like an echo...the sadness, the entrapment, the circular thinking, the emphasis on being so perfect and holy and the fear of not being able to really admit without fear of rejection...that I was a sinner. Really, a sinner, not a pretty cleaned up and "chosen" sinner, but as lost as the lost, as equal with the "unchosen" kind of sinner-sinner. Now, only an EX PR would understand that long run on statement. Having a tough time right now. As a non pr, do I invite a non pr friend to an event where there will be a lot of pr people? The friend thinks I am ashamed. The reality is I feel afraid. I'm with you OakTree ~ you are correct, only an EX PR would understand that. I do remember some of the rejection because I feel it every Christmas and Thanksgiving when part of my family chooses not to show up because a dreaded sinner who has committed the unpardonable sin (leaving the true church) is going to be there... but for the most part I've been gone long enough that I'm kind of like "eh whatever"... although I do feel bad because I'm pretty sure the cutting off PR's are not christians... so I really wish that I could see them and witness to them of what Christ has done for me. But, as a wise person once said to me "they are not my mission field.. if God wants them saved, He will do it... His job is saving people... not yours" So freefromprc - the real question is what did you do? Did you invite your non pr friend? And what were you afraid of? The rejection of the PR's while you were with your friend? Or just that they would attack/come after you verbally while you were there?
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Post by freefromprc on Aug 8, 2015 15:27:34 GMT
Having a tough time right now. As a non pr, do I invite a non pr friend to an event where there will be a lot of pr people? The friend thinks I am ashamed. The reality is I feel afraid. I'm with you OakTree ~ you are correct, only an EX PR would understand that. I do remember some of the rejection because I feel it every Christmas and Thanksgiving when part of my family chooses not to show up because a dreaded sinner who has committed the unpardonable sin (leaving the true church) is going to be there... but for the most part I've been gone long enough that I'm kind of like "eh whatever"... although I do feel bad because I'm pretty sure the cutting off PR's are not christians... so I really wish that I could see them and witness to them of what Christ has done for me. But, as a wise person once said to me "they are not my mission field.. if God wants them saved, He will do it... His job is saving people... not yours" So freefromprc - the real question is what did you do? Did you invite your non pr friend? And what were you afraid of? The rejection of the PR's while you were with your friend? Or just that they would attack/come after you verbally while you were there? We went and did something different. I didn't want to put either one of us through it. They would not confront me. It's the behind the back stuff that wears me down.
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Post by guard.yourheart on Aug 17, 2015 16:15:07 GMT
Take it from someone who's been in the PR church over 50 years and regrets raising children there. I wish I would have left years ago so my children aren't in the same circle I was in. If it's family issues of shunning that would ruin your husband's life then I understand that would be very hard. But if it's just the fear of a different life, try to convince him. Maybe start by going to another church in the morning and then the PR church at night (at least you won't have to listen to the Heidelberg Catechism sermon every week)! Many people who post on this board talk about how free they feel and happy and feel genuine love of Christ in them and for others. I don't have that feeling. I have family members who have left and they tell me you won't know the great feeling in your heart until you leave. It's like a huge burden off your shoulders. I'm looking forward to that day. "I wish I would have left years ago so my children aren't in the same circle I was in." This is what the PRC calls internal growth. I wonder what my children would be like if they had not had this influence.
Get ready for this... we are taking the steps to leave the PR church!!! Yay! I think some things on this forum helped him see differently.
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Post by NotSureWhatToPutHere on Aug 17, 2015 16:30:13 GMT
"I wish I would have left years ago so my children aren't in the same circle I was in." This is what the PRC calls internal growth. I wonder what my children would be like if they had not had this influence.
Get ready for this... we are taking the steps to leave the PR church!!! Yay! I think some things on this forum helped him see differently. Wow!! I'm really happy for you! Just know, you have support here if you need it!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 17:08:39 GMT
"I wish I would have left years ago so my children aren't in the same circle I was in." This is what the PRC calls internal growth. I wonder what my children would be like if they had not had this influence.
Get ready for this... we are taking the steps to leave the PR church!!! Yay! I think some things on this forum helped him see differently. I'll pray for you! This is a wonderful step. A year from now, you will not even recognize who you were !
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Post by Skyfall on Aug 17, 2015 20:56:21 GMT
"I wish I would have left years ago so my children aren't in the same circle I was in." This is what the PRC calls internal growth. I wonder what my children would be like if they had not had this influence.
Get ready for this... we are taking the steps to leave the PR church!!! Yay! I think some things on this forum helped him see differently. What a fantastic step in your journey! I'll just echo the sentiment here, but it's an incredible step and it begins as soon as you make it! Feel free to continue to stop by for help and support!
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Post by seeker on Aug 18, 2015 0:46:09 GMT
"I wish I would have left years ago so my children aren't in the same circle I was in." This is what the PRC calls internal growth. I wonder what my children would be like if they had not had this influence.
Get ready for this... we are taking the steps to leave the PR church!!! Yay! I think some things on this forum helped him see differently. It's one thing to stay if you want to. It's another thing to stay because you are pressured to. That place is a trap. Good for you!
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Post by potato on Aug 18, 2015 20:41:44 GMT
"I wish I would have left years ago so my children aren't in the same circle I was in." This is what the PRC calls internal growth. I wonder what my children would be like if they had not had this influence.
Get ready for this... we are taking the steps to leave the PR church!!! Yay! I think some things on this forum helped him see differently. Do it, the worst part is that you will regret not doing it sooner!! Best wishes on your journey!!
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Post by Joacom on Aug 18, 2015 22:39:29 GMT
Get ready for this... we are taking the steps to leave the PR church!!! Yay! I think some things on this forum helped him see differently. What a fantastic step in your journey! I'll just echo the sentiment here, but it's an incredible step and it begins as soon as you make it! Feel free to continue to stop by for help and support! Prayed for you
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