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Post by searchingbeliever on Jun 20, 2022 2:45:24 GMT
I am have been out of the PR for years and have a sister who has been out for a long time as well. That sister is getting divorced after their marriage was irreparably broken by infidelity and verbal abuse from a PR man. This sibling is now dating and has told my parents about this new relationship. All members of my family have stopped all contact with my sibling for months now. My father had also told my sister is that if they bring their new guy around, or marry him, they will never speak to or associate with my sibling again. That is the ONLY feedback and communication my sibling got after telling my parents. My heart is absolutely shattered for my sibling. I went to talk to her the other day and she just sobbed in my arms. Not only for her broken marriage and divorce and the hurt she went through, but now, the complete alienating that my family is doing to my sibling. And the conditional love that is being shown when a parent and a fathers love is supposed to picture that of our Heavenly Father. I don’t know how to be in this situation. I’m still wrapping my head around my own beliefs on what the Bible says about divorce and there ever being allowed remarriage…but this is not how Christian act towards their own family. I’m trying to be an advocate for her and listen to her and encourage her any way that I can, but I hurt with such an intensity through this as well, seeing how a step outside of the PR belief system gets her cut off without discussion. Makes me wonder what the fine line is that I would need to cross to also get this kind of ultimatum.
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Post by ExPRisoner on Jun 20, 2022 11:10:24 GMT
I am have been out of the PR for years and have a sister who has been out for a long time as well. That sister is getting divorced after their marriage was irreparably broken by infidelity and verbal abuse from a PR man. This sibling is now dating and has told my parents about this new relationship. All members of my family have stopped all contact with my sibling for months now. My father had also told my sister is that if they bring their new guy around, or marry him, they will never speak to or associate with my sibling again. That is the ONLY feedback and communication my sibling got after telling my parents. My heart is absolutely shattered for my sibling. I went to talk to her the other day and she just sobbed in my arms. Not only for her broken marriage and divorce and the hurt she went through, but now, the complete alienating that my family is doing to my sibling. And the conditional love that is being shown when a parent and a fathers love is supposed to picture that of our Heavenly Father. I don’t know how to be in this situation. I’m still wrapping my head around my own beliefs on what the Bible says about divorce and there ever being allowed remarriage…but this is not how Christian act towards their own family. I’m trying to be an advocate for her and listen to her and encourage her any way that I can, but I hurt with such an intensity through this as well, seeing how a step outside of the PR belief system gets her cut off without discussion. Makes me wonder what the fine line is that I would need to cross to also get this kind of ultimatum. Sorry to hear of the difficult situation. Is there a slight possibility that they may take to a letter explaining why Divorce and remarriage is expectable in this case? Planting a seed of truth hopefully will get them to search deeper then just accepting the DJE . I know some PR's don't have a clue of John Calvins stance on Divorce and remarriage .
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Post by cannalily on Jun 20, 2022 11:30:02 GMT
I am have been out of the PR for years and have a sister who has been out for a long time as well. That sister is getting divorced after their marriage was irreparably broken by infidelity and verbal abuse from a PR man. This sibling is now dating and has told my parents about this new relationship. All members of my family have stopped all contact with my sibling for months now. My father had also told my sister is that if they bring their new guy around, or marry him, they will never speak to or associate with my sibling again. That is the ONLY feedback and communication my sibling got after telling my parents. My heart is absolutely shattered for my sibling. I went to talk to her the other day and she just sobbed in my arms. Not only for her broken marriage and divorce and the hurt she went through, but now, the complete alienating that my family is doing to my sibling. And the conditional love that is being shown when a parent and a fathers love is supposed to picture that of our Heavenly Father. I don’t know how to be in this situation. I’m still wrapping my head around my own beliefs on what the Bible says about divorce and there ever being allowed remarriage…but this is not how Christian act towards their own family. I’m trying to be an advocate for her and listen to her and encourage her any way that I can, but I hurt with such an intensity through this as well, seeing how a step outside of the PR belief system gets her cut off without discussion. Makes me wonder what the fine line is that I would need to cross to also get this kind of ultimatum. Sorry to hear of the difficult situation. Is there a slight possibility that they may take to a letter explaining why Divorce and remarriage is expectable in this case? Planting a seed of truth hopefully will get them to search deeper then just accepting the DJE . I know some PR's don't have a clue of John Calvins stance on Divorce and remarriage . In my experience, I've witnessed this shunning first hand. It's horrible. But at the end of the day, those doing the shunning regret it horribly long term too. On their deathbeds, it's lamented how they treated people all for show. This shunning thing works great as a defense mechanism when they're showing how great they are living the PR life. But this does have dire consequences if they ever leave the cult. Serious guilt builds up and it's not healthy - first mentally, then physically. Life is seriously short - don't waste it on BS. It may not feel like BS, but after all is said and done, it is. It really doesn't matter. So the question becomes, is all of this shunning worth it? Are you shunning the person for them, or for YOU, so that you don't have to defend their actions? Divorce is tough to explain to another PR when you know the rules. It's ugly. It's messy. It's a heck of a lot easier to shun - even your own kids - instead of dealing with the UGLY truth of PR abuse even after infidelity. To a certain degree, these parents are in a pinch too. Now they have to put on this shunning act to their own kids to show the PR world (and it's ONLY the PR world) how Christian they are. By shunning, they don't have to answer to anyone. They don't have to answer to the family visitation elders. They can say, well, we cut them off. If anyone asks about their daughter, they can say, we cut them off. So it's a LOT easier for THEM. In a sense, it's a copout. They don't have to defend any of the actions from their daughter now. If I were you, searchingbeliever, I'd bring up these points to your parents. If anything it plants seeds for them to think about. Shunning is a serious waste of precious time that parents have with their families, and shame on the PRC for even allowing this behavior that's robbing them of this time. Screw the doctrine. It's time theft. Aren't cults wonderful?
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Post by Sophia M. on Jun 20, 2022 19:20:08 GMT
how a step outside of the PR belief system gets her cut off without discussion. Makes me wonder what the fine line is that I would need to cross to also get this kind of ultimatum. This dynamic is so pervasive and terrifying to all the family members, including the ones who have not been shunned. And yes the fine line could be crossed at anytime. That is the genius of the invisibly fine line for keeping everyone in order. You could have a long term marriage, be a model of a Proverbs 31 wife and mother, and do all the things you were told a Christian woman was supposed to do, for decades, and then bam, one day you get the message from the family's official or unofficial spokesperson: "you are not a true, wanted, or welcome part of MY family, because of this and this and this." I am so sorry that this is part of your family's story. You are not alone here in this horrible severing of family connection . . so many of us on the forum, of all ages, have been part of these dynamics in our family systems. It hurts sooo much. It hurts sooo long, and it hurts sooo many of the family members. Growing up, I heard too many sermons that were directed at parents to prepare them for the reality that some of their children would not fully conform to the PR way. In this all-or-nothing, you are either with-us-or-against us system, not fully conforming is often described as being a reprobate. Have a half dozen or more children, but prepare yourself for the day when 1/6, 1/3 or 2/3 of them show that they don't love God as they are supposed to. Remember that wheat and tares grow up looking the same, but when you see the tares, you have to do what Psalm 139 says and declare for all the church members to nod along: "Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies." Rev Engelsma and Rev Kleyn were two of the ones that preached the Prepare to Hate your Family Members crap when I was in church services as a kid. I remember being 8, 10, 12ish, looking around at the different moms and dads who sat still and calm as they were being told to keep preparing for the day you would need to hate some of your kids. Everyone sitting through sermons that told parents, in fancier language of course, that odds were that God already before some of their children's births eternally hated some of their teen or adult kids, but parents need to love them all until the signals start showing which kids were the bad ones. Then when the signals come out, you must hate them like God hates them. This is horrific fruit of this compliance oriented belief system. I believe Jesus died to end that kind of bondservant relationship to a religious morality group which prefers being good/being right, perpetually trying to keep proving to people that we are one who receives God's favor. Jesus frees us into a secure, unconditional belovedness that gives us emotional space to risk having church people offended by all the ways we are truly caring for any of our neighbors/children/enemies whom the religious people have written off as "out of God's circle" I hope people who want to follow the way of Jesus will follow him out of these family graveyards---these sanctuaries which train parents through decades of those damn sermons to someday reject and emotionally/financially cut off any of their teen or young adult or adult children who don't fully conform to the PR way. The Fruitless Strategy: Rely on a doctrine of God's unconditional love for humans only if it includes God's unconditional hate for humans too. Have many kids, to increase the odds at least a few will turn out to be elect (proven by their outward compliance). Shun each descendant who does not fully comply, which will likely scare their siblings/nieces/nephews out of daring to express any personal preferences or exploration for other social communities or other religious groups. Punish or threaten any offspring (or dependent spouse) who might try to show kindness, hospitality, or basic courtesy to stay in relationship with the shunned one(s). Keep having continuous coffee/cigs/committee meetings with the other dads, grandpas, elders who have shunned some of their offspring. Keep each other distracted from all the familial loss and sadness by talking about how the other denominations are apostate because nobody practices hardass discipline (familial shunning) like PRCA still does.
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Post by questioneverything on Jun 21, 2022 1:22:00 GMT
I am have been out of the PR for years and have a sister who has been out for a long time as well. That sister is getting divorced after their marriage was irreparably broken by infidelity and verbal abuse from a PR man. This sibling is now dating and has told my parents about this new relationship. All members of my family have stopped all contact with my sibling for months now. My father had also told my sister is that if they bring their new guy around, or marry him, they will never speak to or associate with my sibling again. That is the ONLY feedback and communication my sibling got after telling my parents. My heart is absolutely shattered for my sibling. I went to talk to her the other day and she just sobbed in my arms. Not only for her broken marriage and divorce and the hurt she went through, but now, the complete alienating that my family is doing to my sibling. And the conditional love that is being shown when a parent and a fathers love is supposed to picture that of our Heavenly Father. I don’t know how to be in this situation. I’m still wrapping my head around my own beliefs on what the Bible says about divorce and there ever being allowed remarriage…but this is not how Christian act towards their own family. I’m trying to be an advocate for her and listen to her and encourage her any way that I can, but I hurt with such an intensity through this as well, seeing how a step outside of the PR belief system gets her cut off without discussion. Makes me wonder what the fine line is that I would need to cross to also get this kind of ultimatum. "I don't know how to be in this situation." I don't know how to either. It's a soul sucking void of pride and appearances, a vacuum of fear followed by abuse. Hang in there. Your sister needs you and you need her.
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Post by NotSureWhatToPutHere on Jun 25, 2022 0:25:02 GMT
I'm so sorry you are dealing with this - just be there for her. I have been the person that was shunned.. not for any sin, other than leaving the PR church.. this church is a cult, your sister has biblical reasons to divorce and this just sucks!
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