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Post by questioneverything on Jun 28, 2022 19:00:45 GMT
Where would you like us to leave the comment? On the podcast platform or here? Or did you want us to send feedback directly to the host of the podcast? Oh my goodness. On YouTube would help them. It makes it more visible and people more likely to watch it! I will edit my original post. Thank you for your message! Here's a link to the YouTube podcast channel. Go and subscribe...NOW! youtube.com/channel/UC9cLVeXC4hWMXe1y8R66MWw
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Post by victory on Jun 29, 2022 3:45:47 GMT
Heidi. Thank you for saying words to describe your experience that many who leave the prc don't feel safe expressing. I'm really speaking about myself.
I love your courage and trust that God is leading you to help others escape from this group.
You are an inspiration to me.
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Post by Hw on Jun 29, 2022 9:53:56 GMT
Heidi. Thank you for saying words to describe your experience that many who leave the prc don't feel safe expressing. I'm really speaking about myself.
I love your courage and trust that God is leading you to help others escape from this group.
You are an inspiration to me. Thank you so much for your message. It all comes from a deep desire to help people out of that culture. It's terrifying to have no support and I'm determined to offer support in any way I can. Never in ten million years did I ever expect that I would be here speaking or publicly. Thank you so much for your support
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Post by I once was “l” but now I’m L on Jun 29, 2022 13:17:57 GMT
I got so nervous for you Heidi reading this today. I am wondering more and more what kind of capabilities these people have. Like what pull they have in society and stuff almost feels like the mafia. This unsettled feeling came over me. They seem obsessed with manipulating things to make sure they don’t look bad. Do you think they are dangerous like in the way of physically harming someone? Hope you are okay praying for you!
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Post by Hw on Jun 29, 2022 13:45:30 GMT
I got so nervous for you Heidi reading this today. I am wondering more and more what kind of capabilities these people have. Like what pull they have in society and stuff almost feels like the mafia. This unsettled feeling came over me. They seem obsessed with manipulating things to make sure they don’t look bad. Do you think they are dangerous like in the way of physically harming someone? Hope you are okay praying for you! I honestly do not know that for sure. There are some loose canons in there. Our drive is monitored and as much as I hate it, I have a weapon next to my front door. It's posted no trespassing. While I don't think they'd come after me, one never knows what the fringe groups do when what they hold most dear gets attacked. I will not let it stop me but I'm being extra cautious of my surroundings until I know how this falls into place. Right now, they can only see a very small snippet of the podcast. They don't like it. I know they won't like the full airing. We never mentioned them by name specifically in order to protect the producers from a defamation lawsuit. That being said, if they go after them, my gloves come all the way off and you will see me on the local news. I have connections there also who would talk with me. They are choosing to tighten the ranks, remain silent, and send people to email the producers or message me. They won't do it publicly which just makes my words even more believable. They only call me a liar but won't say what I'm lying about. Because they know I'm not. I was there. It happened to me personally. Thank you for your concern! My husband and I have a plan and put it into action already for our safety. Our home is our haven and it WILL remain that way!!
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Post by I once was “l” but now I’m L on Jun 29, 2022 14:01:30 GMT
I got so nervous for you Heidi reading this today. I am wondering more and more what kind of capabilities these people have. Like what pull they have in society and stuff almost feels like the mafia. This unsettled feeling came over me. They seem obsessed with manipulating things to make sure they don’t look bad. Do you think they are dangerous like in the way of physically harming someone? Hope you are okay praying for you! I honestly do not know that for sure. There are some loose canons in there. Our drive is monitored and as much as I hate it, I have a weapon next to my front door. It's posted no trespassing. While I don't think they'd come after me, one never knows what the fringe groups do when what they hold most dear gets attacked. I will not let it stop me but I'm being extra cautious of my surroundings until I know how this falls into place. Right now, they can only see a very small snippet of the podcast. They don't like it. I know they won't like the full airing. We never mentioned them by name specifically in order to protect the producers from a defamation lawsuit. That being said, if they go after them, my gloves come all the way off and you will see me on the local news. I have connections there also who would talk with me. They are choosing to tighten the ranks, remain silent, and send people to email the producers or message me. They won't do it publicly which just makes my words even more believable. They only call me a list but won't say what I'm lying about. Because they know I'm not. I was there. It happened to me personally. Thank you for your concern! My husband and I have a plan and put it into action already for our safety. Our home is our haven and it WILL remain that way!! [br I’m so glad you have a supportive husband now and he is protecting you! I admire your courage and strength to go against this culture. You are an amazing woman! Always praying for you and your safety!
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Post by prnolonger on Jun 29, 2022 14:09:59 GMT
I got so nervous for you Heidi reading this today. I am wondering more and more what kind of capabilities these people have. Like what pull they have in society and stuff almost feels like the mafia. This unsettled feeling came over me. They seem obsessed with manipulating things to make sure they don’t look bad. Do you think they are dangerous like in the way of physically harming someone? Hope you are okay praying for you! I honestly do not know that for sure. There are some loose canons in there. Our drive is monitored and as much as I hate it, I have a weapon next to my front door. It's posted no trespassing. While I don't think they'd come after me, one never knows what the fringe groups do when what they hold most dear gets attacked. I will not let it stop me but I'm being extra cautious of my surroundings until I know how this falls into place. Right now, they can only see a very small snippet of the podcast. They don't like it. I know they won't like the full airing. We never mentioned them by name specifically in order to protect the producers from a defamation lawsuit. That being said, if they go after them, my gloves come all the way off and you will see me on the local news. I have connections there also who would talk with me. They are choosing to tighten the ranks, remain silent, and send people to email the producers or message me. They won't do it publicly which just makes my words even more believable. They only call me a list but won't say what I'm lying about. Because they know I'm not. I was there. It happened to me personally. Thank you for your concern! My husband and I have a plan and put it into action already for our safety. Our home is our haven and it WILL remain that way!! They won't do it publicly because they are cowards. It's a running theme. They won't acknowledge the abuse or this forum because it risks legitimizing criticism against them. I've been calling them out for years to just once acknowledge what's being talked about here. They won't. Even when we become the primary information source for PR's on things happening with RVO, they won't acknowledge us. Even when we directly use names of abusers in their midst, they won't acknowledge us. Even when you come here with posting with your full name and story and inviting them to respond, they won't acknowledge us. Even when we have existing PR members posting here regularly, they won't acknowledge us. They'll continue working behind the scenes to disempower you and your story because that's how they've always operated. They'll make phone calls to cast doubt on your story. They'll hold sanctimonious ceremonies fake lamenting the problem and talk about how submitting to their authority even harder is the only real solution. They'll talk about how the real problem is not abusers, but the snakes who wish to backbite true saints because their true unholy joy is seeing Christ's true church defamed. They'll exercise soft power within their little domains to chastise anyone who would even think of being sympathetic to you. They'll proclaim that the only way forward is to not dwell on the past. They'll wait for the dust to settle so they can shift focus to something else just like they did with RVO according to the PR AMA we had in April. They're threatened by you not because your story is false, but because it's true. Shout it from the rooftops.
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Post by Hw on Jun 29, 2022 14:23:04 GMT
I honestly do not know that for sure. There are some loose canons in there. Our drive is monitored and as much as I hate it, I have a weapon next to my front door. It's posted no trespassing. While I don't think they'd come after me, one never knows what the fringe groups do when what they hold most dear gets attacked. I will not let it stop me but I'm being extra cautious of my surroundings until I know how this falls into place. Right now, they can only see a very small snippet of the podcast. They don't like it. I know they won't like the full airing. We never mentioned them by name specifically in order to protect the producers from a defamation lawsuit. That being said, if they go after them, my gloves come all the way off and you will see me on the local news. I have connections there also who would talk with me. They are choosing to tighten the ranks, remain silent, and send people to email the producers or message me. They won't do it publicly which just makes my words even more believable. They only call me a list but won't say what I'm lying about. Because they know I'm not. I was there. It happened to me personally. Thank you for your concern! My husband and I have a plan and put it into action already for our safety. Our home is our haven and it WILL remain that way!! They won't do it publicly because they are cowards. It's a running theme. They won't acknowledge the abuse or this forum because it risks legitimizing criticism against them. I've been calling them out for years to just once acknowledge what's being talked about here. They won't. Even when we become the primary information source for PR's on things happening with RVO, they won't acknowledge us. Even when we directly use names of abusers in their midst, they won't acknowledge us. Even when you come here with posting with your full name and story and inviting them to respond, they won't acknowledge us. Even when we have existing PR members posting here regularly, they won't acknowledge us. They'll continue working behind the scenes to disempower you and your story because that's how they've always operated. They'll make phone calls to cast doubt on your story. They'll hold sanctimonious ceremonies fake lamenting the problem and talk about how submitting to their authority even harder is the only real solution. They'll talk about how the real problem is not abusers, but the snakes who wish to backbite true saints because their true unholy joy is seeing Christ's true church defamed. They'll exercise soft power within their little domains to chastise anyone who would even think of being sympathetic to you. They'll proclaim that the only way forward is to not dwell on the past. They'll wait for the dust to settle so they can shift focus to something else just like they did with RVO according to the PR AMA we had in April. They're threatened by you not because your story is false, but because it's true. Shout it from the rooftops. This stubborn Engelsma streak I seem to have inherited will not be deterred and they will not silence me!! Again, I have nothing to lose and we all know that they do. That leveled the playing field. I'm so aware of how they work and what they say inside their circles. It's comical how afraid they are of dialogue that they cannot control and manipulate. I will not be silent. There is almost an hours worth of podcast coming out over 2 separate dates. Let's see if that gets someone talking. Not likely but I'm not quitting and I am NOT going anywhere. I can almost imagine them frantically writing a special SB addressing the topic "What To Do When The Excommunicated And Shunned Come Back And Start Talking". I'll still be here! And I firmly believe that when I'm dead and gone, there will be others to continue speaking. I'm just one of many with a story to tell.
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Post by AgnosticAgain on Jun 29, 2022 14:35:46 GMT
Awesome. You are beautiful and strong, Heidi. Thank you for doing this.
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Post by Hw on Jun 29, 2022 14:43:18 GMT
Awesome. You are beautiful and strong, Heidi. Thank you for doing this. It feels like such a small step but I'm so very glad I did it. There are so many victims and I cannot stop trying to help them. What they do and how they operate is not ok!
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Post by AgnosticAgain on Jun 29, 2022 14:54:05 GMT
Awesome. You are beautiful and strong, Heidi. Thank you for doing this. It feels like such a small step but I'm so very glad I did it. There are so many victims and I cannot stop trying to help them. What they do and how they operate is not ok! you are doing something that I've been trying to do for years but could never get right. Is it okay if I share this podcast on my social media? When the full thing comes out.
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Post by Hw on Jun 29, 2022 15:00:00 GMT
It feels like such a small step but I'm so very glad I did it. There are so many victims and I cannot stop trying to help them. What they do and how they operate is not ok! you are doing something that I've been trying to do for years but could never get right. Is it okay if I share this podcast on my social media? When the full thing comes out. Please share them ALL!!! Even the preview, please! The more shares and comments on YouTube and other platforms is on is so helpful for getting the word out! The more views, the more it gets shared and the more people know. It's odd to push my own interview but I believe in the message so much! I may not be an on-camera professional but I'm passionate and I believe in what I'm doing
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Post by Sophia M. on Jun 29, 2022 17:31:10 GMT
I got so nervous for you Heidi reading this today. I am wondering more and more what kind of capabilities these people have. Like what pull they have in society and stuff almost feels like the mafia. This unsettled feeling came over me. They seem obsessed with manipulating things to make sure they don’t look bad. Do you think they are dangerous like in the way of physically harming someone? Hope you are okay praying for you! Likely the people who are bothered by Heidi's story and her mode of telling will portray this all as Heidi putting them in danger of physical harm. They are the ones in danger, not her, as they choose see it. Someone who has the adult courage to talk about their deep hurts, own up their own mistakes and damage done to others, and tell their own story as it happened to them, is tapped in to some valuable and rich internal resources and external resources of love, bravery, experience of human pain and brokenness, and acceptance of living reality. In these terms, Heidi has more strength than the ones who used religious leverage to harm or exclude her, so now she will be portrayed as the one overpowering, mistreating, threatening and harming them. Even though she has no former or current organizational, physical, or other coercive leverage over their lives or actions, they will decide they are being victimized by her now. In my experience, the worst players will only physically and emotionally injure women whom they have control over. Women whom they do not have control over, they will pronounce as the kind of women who are harmful and abusive and threatening to them. I got a call out of the blue from a PR business leader and elder a few years ago. He started the convo right up by asking me to admit I am abusive to his PR faith community for speaking up about general racism and sexism, or specific victim blaming of abused women, that I witnessed or experienced while a PR young person. I turned the conversation back to his responsibility: how his consistory could protect current abused women and children in ways that the consistory did not help women I knew and heard from when I was a member there. At the end of the call he made a comment about the impropriety of a Christian college employee speaking out about sexism, maltreatment, and racism in the Christian community. He had recently completed a term on the Board of Trustees at the college I was working at at the time of the phone call. I immediately reported that phone call and its purpose (to get me afraid to speak out about injustice inside the church community) to my employment supervisor. this is the game. If they can't control the actions of the women they used to harm and silence, then they announce that they are being harmed and threatened by the women they used to control, as soon as those women stop staying silent or controllable. Then tell others that that uncontrollable woman was rebellious, deceitful, wayward, malicious, unsubmissive, unloveable, whatever, from the very beginning of their girlhood, and that is why so many bad things happened to her while under their care, protection, or authority. they were right to treat someone wrong from the beginning if that someone turns out to be "not one of them." Perfect way to pass the buck and never own up their wrongs to the ones who had to leave the church to get away from serious continual harm. This is why it is so inherently damaging to support a theology that blesses imbalance of power between men and women in this church. A woman who accepts and endures maltreatment for a long time and tries to change herself to fix it. . . . .should have spoken up sooner or done something. A woman who refuses to submit to maltreatment and harm and speaks up, leaves, or gets assertive and angry to protect what is valuable . . . is seen as dangerous, furious, poisoning the other women to be discontent, out of control, bitter, vindictive.
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Post by Hw on Jun 29, 2022 17:51:28 GMT
I got so nervous for you Heidi reading this today. I am wondering more and more what kind of capabilities these people have. Like what pull they have in society and stuff almost feels like the mafia. This unsettled feeling came over me. They seem obsessed with manipulating things to make sure they don’t look bad. Do you think they are dangerous like in the way of physically harming someone? Hope you are okay praying for you! Likely the people who are bothered by Heidi's story and her mode of telling will portray this all as Heidi putting them in danger of physical harm. They are the ones in danger, not her, as they choose see it. Someone who has the adult courage to talk about their deep hurts, own up their own mistakes and damage done to others, and tell their own story as it happened to them, is tapped in to some valuable and rich internal resources and external resources of love, bravery, experience of human pain and brokenness, and acceptance of living reality. In these terms, Heidi has more strength than the ones who used religious leverage to harm or exclude her, so now she will be portrayed as the one overpowering, mistreating, threatening and harming them. Even though she has no former or current organizational, physical, or other coercive leverage over their lives or actions, they will decide they are being victimized by her now. In my experience, the worst players will only physically and emotionally injure women whom they have control over. Women whom they do not have control over, they will pronounce as the kind of women who are harmful and abusive and threatening to them. I got a call out of the blue from a PR business leader and elder a few years ago. He started the convo right up by asking me to admit I am abusive to his PR faith community for speaking up about general racism and sexism, or specific victim blaming of abused women, that I witnessed or experienced while a PR young person. I turned the conversation back to his responsibility: how his consistory could protect current abused women and children in ways that the consistory did not help women I knew and heard from when I was a member there. At the end of the call he made a comment about the impropriety of a Christian college employee speaking out about sexism, maltreatment, and racism in the Christian community. He had recently completed a term on the Board of Trustees at the college I was working at at the time of the phone call. I immediately reported that phone call and its purpose (to get me afraid to speak out about injustice inside the church community) to my employment supervisor. this is the game. If they can't control the actions of the women they used to harm and silence, then they announce that they are being harmed and threatened by the women they used to control, as soon as those women stop staying silent or controllable. Then tell others that that uncontrollable woman was rebellious, deceitful, wayward, malicious, unsubmissive, unloveable, whatever, from the very beginning of their girlhood, and that is why so many bad things happened to her while under their care, protection, or authority. they were right to treat someone wrong from the beginning if that someone turns out to be "not one of them." Perfect way to pass the buck and never own up their wrongs to the ones who had to leave the church to get away from serious continual harm. This is why it is so inherently damaging to support a theology that blesses imbalance of power between men and women in this church. A woman who accepts and endures maltreatment for a long time and tries to change herself to fix it. . . . .should have spoken up sooner or done something. A woman who refuses to submit to maltreatment and harm and speaks up, leaves, or gets assertive and angry to protect what is valuable . . . is seen as dangerous, furious, poisoning the other women to be discontent, out of control, bitter, vindictive. You are so very accurate. I am fully prepared for an onslaught of accusations both real and made up. Anything I may have done I will own. Anything made up isn't worth my time. I have laid myself wide open here knowing the fallout and it is still more than worth it. I will take it all and will still speak. Who I am today is the very real and authentic me and my past is nothing I need to bury or hide from. It got me here and i wouldn't trade that. Thanks so very much for your endless and beautiful support.
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Post by AgnosticAgain on Jun 29, 2022 18:02:24 GMT
Okay I shared it and wrote this. This is one of the most important things I have ever shared. And I share a lot so that's saying something! This woman grew up in the same church/cult as me and she is doing a podcast on her experience. She was excommunicated and shunned for divorcing an abusive husband. I want everyone to see this, including my own family who won't speak to me. She still has far more hope than I have anymore. I just want the people I love to know there is a different and better way. There are hundreds of stories like this, and they are finally seeing the light of day. #broken #ihavearighttotalkaboutit
I can't watch this without crying, I feel it so much. As I said in my post, Heidi, you have a lot more hope than I do these days but I don't begrudge you for it. So happy these stories are finally getting out there. Also I may end up doxxing myself shortly and not sure I care anymore. Not much to lose and if that's what it takes to get the word out and make a difference, I might be okay with it.
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