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Post by prnolonger on Nov 29, 2022 21:59:31 GMT
Their attention will be had. Anonymous stranger??? I think not. Don't assume nothing occurs behind the scenes. They will hear Heidi, you're obviously not anonymous . But prnolonger, the op, is. If a third party investigation actually happens I will eat my words and buy you a beer. Or wine. Or coffee. But a third party investigation is so far from something the denomination would ever do I just don't see it happening, as amazing and validating as it would be. Then we're gonna make'm publicly say "No" to doing one, and let the PRC members see who the church is protecting.
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Post by Hw on Nov 29, 2022 23:00:15 GMT
Their attention will be had. Anonymous stranger??? I think not. Don't assume nothing occurs behind the scenes. They will hear Heidi, you're obviously not anonymous . But prnolonger, the op, is. If a third party investigation actually happens I will eat my words and buy you a beer. Or wine. Or coffee. But a third party investigation is so far from something the denomination would ever do I just don't see it happening, as amazing and validating as it would be. Anonymous I am not. Lol. Ok... Beer...porter, stout, or NEIPA Wine...cabernet or merlot Coffee....Kona or Jamaican Blue Mountain. Here's hoping a glass comes my way!
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Post by turtledoves on Nov 29, 2022 23:14:41 GMT
Heidi, you're obviously not anonymous . But prnolonger, the op, is. If a third party investigation actually happens I will eat my words and buy you a beer. Or wine. Or coffee. But a third party investigation is so far from something the denomination would ever do I just don't see it happening, as amazing and validating as it would be. Then we're gonna make'm publicly say "No" to doing one, and let the PRC members see who the church is protecting. The PRC will never agree to a 3rd party investigation bc they'll be exposed and they know it. They don't want accountability. They don't want transparency. They don't want to confess and certainly won't be apologizing for the shattered souls of the victims whom they step over to get into the elder bench each Sunday. The only way forward for the PRC is through the humble act of confession, repentance, and the turning of specifically named sins. Those sins must be named. Why doesn't Prof Engelsma write a "family email" to the denomination and demand repentance as the only way to be forgiven? Prof., aren't we just spinning our wheels until that happens? No, no, instead we are treated to a lecture on forgiveness with an awkward Q and A session.
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Post by unwrittenrules on Nov 29, 2022 23:36:14 GMT
Unless you are going to talk about something like suing them for neglect and abuse nothing will happen. They "lose" their own children and don't blink an eye. You think that those who lead in the PRC have a moral problem about how things are going they would be asking for help. I am waiting for laws to change. I believe there will be a day when sharing my story with an attorney will happen. Even if I share it because it is the right thing that should have been done decades ago and never was. Talk to your elected government officials about empowering survivors.https://www.michigandaily.com/government/u-m-sexual-assault-bills-reintroduced-michigan-legislature/
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Post by Feminist on Nov 30, 2022 0:02:11 GMT
I hope it works.
I feel like their MO is “weather the storm, it will all go away after time”
Time heals all PRC “wounds” and I don’t think anything will shatter that denomination in my lifetime.
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Post by blindrealist on Nov 30, 2022 0:23:31 GMT
I hope it works. I feel like their MO is “weather the storm, it will all go away after time” Time heals all PRC “wounds” and I don’t think anything will shatter that denomination in my lifetime. I agree. Not shattered. It has too much money, too much power, and too much pride.
But maybe reduced to a lifeless husk with so many leaving. True colors are showing. It can't control information like it used to, like this forum.
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Post by cannalily on Nov 30, 2022 0:46:29 GMT
I hope it works. I feel like their MO is “weather the storm, it will all go away after time” Time heals all PRC “wounds” and I don’t think anything will shatter that denomination in my lifetime. I agree. Not shattered. It has too much money, too much power, and too much pride.
But maybe reduced to a lifeless husk with so many leaving. True colors are showing. It can't control information like it used to, like this forum.
That's the big difference. Right now, they're unable to control the narrative like they have since their inception. FINALLY, the members of the PRC get to see the inner workings of their leadership. Instead of quickly labeling anything as either "sin" or "slander" or "wicked" and then quickly retort saying, "we're not perfect", and then come back and say, "this is the only TRUE CHURCH with the purest doctrines", they're going to have to answer real questions.
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Post by blessed2be on Nov 30, 2022 0:48:02 GMT
I've watched quite a few shows similar to how PR is, "keep sweet and pray" etc. I think something like that needs to come out about the PR denomination. Are the cases in the denomination "big" enough to be able to make a video like that? I know quite a few myself and I am SURE there are far more.
Honestly, I think Heidi's podcast really kicked things into a much higher gear for sure and things like that need to continue for there to be change.
My fingers are crossed, they really are.
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Post by NotSureWhatToPutHere on Nov 30, 2022 2:55:34 GMT
I've also given info to Heidi - my real name as well as the name of the man who sexually abused me for years... almost every Sunday... in church as well as other places. I'm willing to speak up, give my name if needed.
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Post by Hw on Nov 30, 2022 3:03:28 GMT
I've also given info to Heidi - my real name as well as the name of the man who sexually abused me for years... almost every Sunday... in church as well as other places. I'm willing to speak up, give my name if needed. I have your information and I am forever grateful to you for stepping up, being brave, and telling the truth of things! I promise you, I'm fighting hard and your info is helpful more than you know. Thank you!!!!
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Post by Hw on Nov 30, 2022 3:19:17 GMT
I've watched quite a few shows similar to how PR is, "keep sweet and pray" etc. I think something like that needs to come out about the PR denomination. Are the cases in the denomination "big" enough to be able to make a video like that? I know quite a few myself and I am SURE there are far more. Honestly, I think Heidi's podcast really kicked things into a much higher gear for sure and things like that need to continue for there to be change. My fingers are crossed, they really are. My only reason for the podcast was to literally try and get some eyes opened and the reality of life inside revealed. Why? Because so many people have been hurt! So many are being hurt now. And then how many little girls have to look forward to a future of the same? Then I heard story, after story, after story of pedophilia and spousal abuse and sexual assault and battery. It's heartbreaking and the leaders (the same people who were around when I was excommunicated) don't bat an eye. They just churn out another speech or written article, and have a special lecture or SB article, and maybe mention it in church for a week or two. PRs don't handle sexual abuse. They don't handle spousal abuse. They don't handle child abuse. They don't handle spiritual or emotional abuse either. They are experts in just waiting it out. Well, I can play that game too. You can wait it out, and we will still be here. Again, are you really choosing to die on this hill? It doesn't have to go like this. 3rd party investigation. Period. If you don't have a pile of sin to hide, then why is this an issue. You've acknowledged already that things "may" have been handled wrongly "in the past". Don't you think even God would want vindication for the one who was wronged? DO BETTER!
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Post by abuseintheprca on Nov 30, 2022 4:08:56 GMT
We support you in your efforts and will catalog and share all articles in this thread on www.abuseintheprca.com This site will point people back to the forum and serve to expose and catalog the abuse cases and be one more avenue of pressure for a 3rd party investigation. Currently, the website points to an anonymous Facebook page. We understand that Facebook doesn't offer the same level of privacy that the forum does, so if you have a story to share and wish to do so anonymously, please reach out here and we can work with you to make sure your story is heard. We are working on a more permanent website to catalog and expose these cases. We have heard and seen enough and it is time to take the gloves off. Your story matters. You matter. We look forward to relinquishing the ownership and control of this website to the PRCA after we see the results of the 3rd party investigation. We are not holding our breath for that to happen but we are NOT going away.
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Post by excaped on Nov 30, 2022 14:05:31 GMT
I hope it works. I feel like their MO is “weather the storm, it will all go away after time” Time heals all PRC “wounds” and I don’t think anything will shatter that denomination in my lifetime. I grew up in the aftermath of the 1954 split, and that is exactly what happened. They know their high birth rate will replace those who apostatize and leave the cult, in a number of years they will be as strong as ever. All they must do is keep absolute control of the sheep.
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Post by prnolonger on Nov 30, 2022 14:10:06 GMT
First Bullet Point has been posted on Lamm & Mary Beth Lubbers.
Reminder to discuss the specific abuse case and details related to it in the post itself and not here in the navigation post. If you would like to be part of this conversation, you only need an account to see it and comment on it. A major point of this exercise is to refine the individual posts over time as new information becomes available. If you have more information, either damning or exculpatory, please join the conversation and contribute what you know.
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Post by Hw on Nov 30, 2022 14:24:44 GMT
First Bullet Point has been posted on Lamm & Mary Beth Lubbers. Reminder to discuss the specific abuse case and details related to it in the post itself and not here in the navigation post. If you would like to be part of this conversation, you only need an account to see it and comment on it. A major point of this exercise is to refine the individual posts over time as new information becomes available. If you have more information, either damning or exculpatory, please join the conversation and contribute what you know. Well done prnolonger. first at bat and wow, nice hit! David, your family is up to their necks in abuse and coverups of all kind. With your knowledge! With your help! How else could they possibly be untouchable for so long when people KNEW! This family has so much dirty laundry. I know. I am a member of this family tree. Thank God they cut my branch off and threw me away!
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