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Post by Claudia K. on Aug 29, 2022 15:28:00 GMT
I highly recommend watching the Scientology docuseries, as well as the FLDS one ("Keep Sweet, Pray and Obey") and counting the similarities between those cults and the one out of which many of us have come. There are, of course, many differences as well, but it's fascinating/eye-opening/devastating that there are any similarities at all! Thanks for mentioning these two productions. It is so very helpful, and yes, as you say, devastating, to note the similarities. For me it shows how common it can be for large numbers of people in a subculture to feel unequipped to raise heck about wrongdoing that they know their leaders are perpetrating or allowing. I have been watching the FLDS docuseries recently. . just got to the part where Elissa makes a statement after Jeffs' trial is over. these words are very powerful and come from a very brave and loving person. She was portrayed as a wanton woman by Jeffs' defense people. Her willingness to be a witness in the trial was seen as participating in the world's way of persecution against a faithful leader of God's special people. Copied and pasted the below words from a website after seeing part of the statement footage in the docuseries episode 4. Following is a statement from Elissa Wall, a prosecution witness in the Warren Jeff's trial, released Tuesday: "When I was young, my mother taught me that evil flourishes when good men do nothing. This has not been easy for us. The easy thing would have been to do nothing. But I have followed my heart, and I have spoken the truth. "What Lamont and I would like to convey our love to our families. Mother, I love you and my sisters unconditionally. I will go to the ends of the earth for you. I understand and respect your convictions, but I will not give up on you. "I have very tender feelings for the FLDS people. There is so much good in them. I pray they will find the strength to step back and re-examine what they have been told to believe and follow their hearts. "This trial has not been about religion or a vendetta. It is simply about child abuse and preventing further abuse. "I hope that all FLDS girls and young women will understand that no matter what anyone may say, you are created equal. You do not have to surrender your rights or your spiritual sovereignty. I know how hard it is, but please, stand up and fight, fight for your voice and choice. I will continue to fight with you. "To those who have been there to support and keep Lamont and myself encouraged, words cannot begin to express our gratitude. I hope the FLDS people will feel the same kindness as they make their difficult journey. "I would like to thank Brock Belnap and the prosecuting legal team for all their kindness and hard work. There's a saying by Emily Dickinson that says, 'Opinion is a fleeting thing, but truth outlasts the sun.'"
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Post by questioneverything on Aug 29, 2022 21:21:12 GMT
I highly recommend watching the Scientology docuseries, as well as the FLDS one ("Keep Sweet, Pray and Obey") and counting the similarities between those cults and the one out of which many of us have come. There are, of course, many differences as well, but it's fascinating/eye-opening/devastating that there are any similarities at all! Thanks for mentioning these two productions. It is so very helpful, and yes, as you say, devastating, to note the similarities. For me it shows how common it can be for large numbers of people in a subculture to feel unequipped to raise heck about wrongdoing that they know their leaders are perpetrating or allowing. I have been watching the FLDS docuseries recently. . just got to the part where Elissa makes a statement after Jeffs' trial is over. these words are very powerful and come from a very brave and loving person. She was portrayed as a wanton woman by Jeffs' defense people. Her willingness to be a witness in the trial was seen as participating in the world's way of persecution against a faithful leader of God's special people. Copied and pasted the below words from a website after seeing part of the statement footage in the docuseries episode 4. Following is a statement from Elissa Wall, a prosecution witness in the Warren Jeff's trial, released Tuesday: "When I was young, my mother taught me that evil flourishes when good men do nothing. This has not been easy for us. The easy thing would have been to do nothing. But I have followed my heart, and I have spoken the truth. "What Lamont and I would like to convey our love to our families. Mother, I love you and my sisters unconditionally. I will go to the ends of the earth for you. I understand and respect your convictions, but I will not give up on you. "I have very tender feelings for the FLDS people. There is so much good in them. I pray they will find the strength to step back and re-examine what they have been told to believe and follow their hearts. "This trial has not been about religion or a vendetta. It is simply about child abuse and preventing further abuse. "I hope that all FLDS girls and young women will understand that no matter what anyone may say, you are created equal. You do not have to surrender your rights or your spiritual sovereignty. I know how hard it is, but please, stand up and fight, fight for your voice and choice. I will continue to fight with you. "To those who have been there to support and keep Lamont and myself encouraged, words cannot begin to express our gratitude. I hope the FLDS people will feel the same kindness as they make their difficult journey. "I would like to thank Brock Belnap and the prosecuting legal team for all their kindness and hard work. There's a saying by Emily Dickinson that says, 'Opinion is a fleeting thing, but truth outlasts the sun.'" I will recommend Jon Krakauer's "Under the Banner of Heaven", kind of as a precursor to these documentaries, especiallythe FLDS one. A favorite author of mine, Jon Krakauer; "Into Thin Air" and "Into the Wild" probably being two of his most recognizable books. I hear "Under the Banner of Heaven" was made into a mini-series, however, I am recommending the book. He has a way with telling a story on that which he is investigating that draws you in. I look forward to watching the FLDS documentary too. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_the_Banner_of_Heaven#
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Post by tryingtoleave on Aug 30, 2022 12:46:35 GMT
I’ve been reading Brazen by Julia Haart, which is about someone who escapes from ultra Orthodox Judaism. Some of the details she talks about in the book are truly disturbing.
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Post by wewerepr on Sept 14, 2022 10:46:03 GMT
This article is right on target for this cult also known as the Protestant Reformed Churches in America. *bump* And thanks Skyfall
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Post by blessed2be on Sept 20, 2022 12:06:34 GMT
My husband and I watched "Sins of our mother" last night on Netflix. Wow! Although not the same as PR/RP, I felt it gave good insight on cults, manipulation and a lot more. Highly recommend. Made us wonder what else is hiding in that denomination? Unfortunately also left us thinking, is there a decent Christian church out there? Someone posted on another post about PR's saying "no church is perfect", while this is true, that's NOT an excuse to stay in a church. This is something both of us have heard for YEARS and it's annoying and a cop-out.
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Post by ExPRisoner on Sept 20, 2022 14:12:55 GMT
My husband and I watched "Sins of our mother" last night on Netflix. Wow! Although not the same as PR/RP, I felt it gave good insight on cults, manipulation and a lot more. Highly recommend. Made us wonder what else is hiding in that denomination? Unfortunately also left us thinking, is there a decent Christian church out there? Someone posted on another post about PR's saying "no church is perfect", while this is true, that's NOT an excuse to stay in a church. This is something both of us have heard for YEARS and it's annoying and a cop-out. I enjoy watching the religious cult docs thanks for sharing. When many a PR says no church is perfect and shrug their shoulders they mean. I still like this club it’s comfortable and I really don’t have to think for myself . Sure the sermons are long ,tedious and repetitive but they say they’re the best. Any other church is heading down the slippery slope of certain damnation.
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Post by blessed2be on Sept 20, 2022 14:56:28 GMT
My husband and I watched "Sins of our mother" last night on Netflix. Wow! Although not the same as PR/RP, I felt it gave good insight on cults, manipulation and a lot more. Highly recommend. Made us wonder what else is hiding in that denomination? Unfortunately also left us thinking, is there a decent Christian church out there? Someone posted on another post about PR's saying "no church is perfect", while this is true, that's NOT an excuse to stay in a church. This is something both of us have heard for YEARS and it's annoying and a cop-out. I enjoy watching the religious cult docs thanks for sharing. When many a PR says no church is perfect and shrug their shoulders they mean. I still like this club it’s comfortable and I really don’t have to think for myself . Sure the sermons are long ,tedious and repetitive but they say they’re the best. Any other church is heading down the slippery slope of certain damnation. Let me know what you think.
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Post by ExPRisoner on Sept 20, 2022 21:24:32 GMT
I enjoy watching the religious cult docs thanks for sharing. When many a PR says no church is perfect and shrug their shoulders they mean. I still like this club it’s comfortable and I really don’t have to think for myself . Sure the sermons are long ,tedious and repetitive but they say they’re the best. Any other church is heading down the slippery slope of certain damnation. Let me know what you think. I enjoyed watching . These cults all seem to be about self and completely loveless. I think the ptsd I had from PRDom heals a bit when watching these docs. Scientology with Leah Remini was a good one.
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Post by blessed2be on Sept 20, 2022 21:55:46 GMT
I'll have to try it! I enjoy watching those types of things as well. I feel like it helps me see things more clearly, opens my eyes a bit more. Makes me wonder why I stayed so long...
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Post by wewerepr on Dec 2, 2022 22:32:03 GMT
This article is right on target for this cult also known as the Protestant Reformed Churches in America. With the post of the rp evangelism video from last night .....it's time to dust off and highlight this thread. thanks skyfall for the original post.
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Post by AgnosticAgain on Dec 9, 2022 3:15:23 GMT
Just finished this podcast and sharing part 2 because it includes common traits of cults. I highly recommend part 1 also. I have not watched The Vow but after listening to this I'm interested. I'm a sucker for a good cult documentary, I think it's partly how I deal with my trauma. Validation will never come from family or old friends, but it's out there. Trust yourself. Don't give up. open.spotify.com/episode/09umhnmv01lrMdTD75DJ8Y?si=NeVSMBvuRta6qlrXdOqpCQ&utm_source=copy-link
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Post by wewerepr on Jan 7, 2023 16:49:55 GMT
This article is right on target for this cult also known as the Protestant Reformed Churches in America. *bump* note the fourth section of the above post labeled: ISOLATION this characteristic has been quite evident here on the forum lately: gritters review of the book about the effects of trauma is deemed not appropriate being asked to not attend Classis of course the continuation of lack of information about abusers it's a cult. you're in a cult. get out.
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Post by wewerepr on Mar 1, 2023 0:10:38 GMT
This article is right on target for this cult also known as the Protestant Reformed Churches in America. Time to dust this post off, again. It is NOT ok to stay in a cult. You should leave. Your kids are worth it.
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Post by iamhere on Mar 6, 2023 14:40:55 GMT
I met up with an old friend a few years back. I told her 'I think the church I grew up in was a cult' she basically laughed and was like, no shit. While it was nice having a confirmation it was also heartbreaking. But talking to outside people they think that PRC is just some conservative sect. Even when I try to explain what I've ben through. Since it's so freaking small and isn't Mormonism or JW they don't think it's legit. And that makes me so frustrated.
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Post by NotSureWhatToPutHere on Mar 7, 2023 1:55:29 GMT
I met up with an old friend a few years back. I told her 'I think the church I grew up in was a cult' she basically laughed and was like, no shit. While it was nice having a confirmation it was also heartbreaking. But talking to outside people they think that PRC is just some conservative sect. Even when I try to explain what I've ben through. Since it's so freaking small and isn't Mormonism or JW they don't think it's legit. And that makes me so frustrated. When I tell people I grew up in a cult in Michigan... most don't believe me... until I explain what I've been through, they look at me like I'm crazy!
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