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Post by NotSureWhatToPutHere on Aug 17, 2015 18:03:00 GMT
I'm just curious if the shunning of people is concentrated in one PR church, or if it is indicative of many of the PR churches. The shunning that I am experiencing is from Hope PRC and a few other cases that I know about personally are from that church as well. (Please note that it was the previous pastor that told my family to shun me, not the current pastor)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 20:03:04 GMT
I'm just curious if the shunning of people is concentrated in one PR church, or if it is indicative of many of the PR churches. The shunning that I am experiencing is from Hope PRC and a few other cases that I know about personally are from that church as well. (Please note that it was the previous pastor that told my family to shun me, not the current pastor)If this isn't the best place for this thread, please feel free to move it... I really wish there was a place that was for only ex-pr's to discuss stuff like this I thought I would do a poll on it - to make it more anonymous for people who are not comfortable outing themselves on here! Also I forgot to add onto the poll PRC Professors... If anyone knows how to edit it to include those... that would be awesome! Good Idea.
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Post by NotSureWhatToPutHere on Aug 19, 2015 1:26:17 GMT
I don't know why I'm so shocked by these results... I probably shouldn't be, because I've heard of quite a few shunnings... but almost 1/2 of the churches in the PRC have people in them that are shunning family/former friends/relatives... even though that is not the "official" practice of the PR church. And yet no one does anything about it...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 2:20:19 GMT
I don't know why I'm so shocked by these results... I probably shouldn't be, because I've heard of quite a few shunnings... but almost 1/2 of the churches in the PRC have people in them that are shunning family/former friends/relatives... even though that is not the "official" practice of the PR church. And yet no one does anything about it... And that's just those who are on this board. Imagine if we had 100% participation. I think we know what it would look like!
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Post by NotSureWhatToPutHere on Aug 20, 2015 1:39:11 GMT
And that's just those who are on this board. Imagine if we had 100% participation. I think we know what it would look like! Yes, Hope Prc, Walker Michigan would be the clear winner. I wonder if some people were marrying the amish in an effort to grow the church. yeah - Hope PRC, Walker one doesn't surprise me one bit... I think I'm more surprised at Georgetown... That is supposed to be the "liberal" pr church... For that one to be in 2nd place ~ wow that just blew me away! Now again, I've been out for 10ish years, so maybe things have changed there....
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Post by NotSureWhatToPutHere on Aug 20, 2015 1:55:29 GMT
Yup - because only 11ish people have voted so far, but I'm assuming that many have larger families, covering multiple churches, and are shunned by their whole family. For me, my mom has not shunned me, but my sister has. My extended family has not shunned me, but I wasn't really close to most of my cousins, so even if they had, it wouldn't have affected me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 11:49:30 GMT
It was a surprise to see Gtown on the results, not a surprise to see Hope at all. Is it possible for us to do a poll of those in leadership who have either encouraged this behavior or know of it and and haven't stopped it?
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Post by freefromprc on Aug 20, 2015 11:59:51 GMT
It was a surprise to see Gtown on the results, not a surprise to see Hope at all. Is it possible for us to do a poll of those in leadership who have either encouraged this behavior or know of it and and haven't stopped it? Unless you have been an official in this group it will be hard to participate in that poll. True colors come out only behind the closed doors of the council meetings, classis and synod, as well as various committees.
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Post by NotSureWhatToPutHere on Aug 20, 2015 12:15:36 GMT
This poll is only available to view by actual members of this site... almost wondering if it should be moved so that people can actually view this when they come to the site. Since I was shocked by the results ~ I'm wondering if PR's who are thinking of leaving or just regular PR's would be shocked. I know that if I talk to PR's and happen to mention that I have a family member that refuses to talk to me because of the unpardonable sin... (leaving the PR Church) many seem surprised... Not sure if its because they just don't realize how wide spread shunning is or for another reason.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 12:21:50 GMT
It was a surprise to see Gtown on the results, not a surprise to see Hope at all. Is it possible for us to do a poll of those in leadership who have either encouraged this behavior or know of it and and haven't stopped it? Unless you have been an official in this group it will be hard to participate in that poll. True colors come out only behind the closed doors of the council meetings, classis and synod, as well as various committees. True, but it is possible to do a poll of prca:DoI members who have directly heard from leadership as to the efficacy of this type of behavior and have been encouraged to adopt it, or conversely, have had this reprehensible behavior made known to leadership and it was ignored or even encouraged. I think that is what gracefull meant. Not to put words in your mouth, gracefull.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 16:59:08 GMT
You are correct . We've generally gotten these responses :
1) We know and don't agree. 2) We suggested or endorse this behavior. 3) You know we don't agree right, (Whispered silently when no other PR's are around)
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Post by KristianWrights on Aug 20, 2015 18:40:03 GMT
Hudsonville church has a problem going on right now and the pastor knows. There is a family shunning a woman there because she is friends with someone they don't approve of. They were ok with it for 25 years but last year they flipped a switch and now no longer speak to her. They sit in front of her and don't say hi. Pastor knows about this situation and is doing nothing....maybe cause the family is wealthy and if the pastor tells them they shouldn't then Hudsonville church would lose a wealthy family and cash supporter???
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 1:33:09 GMT
Hudsonville church has a problem going on right now and the pastor knows. There is a family shunning a woman there because she is friends with someone they don't approve of. They were ok with it for 25 years but last year they flipped a switch and now no longer speak to her. They sit in front of her and don't say hi. Pastor knows about this situation and is doing nothing....maybe cause the family is wealthy and if the pastor tells them they shouldn't then Hudsonville church would lose a wealthy family and cash supporter??? If that is indeed the reason why, would that warrant a quote from I Tim 6 : 10 (Love of Money is the root of evil) or maybe it is Fear of Man (Proverbs 29:25) Come to think of it, that is not a theme I remember being stressed in the PRCA. I think the fear of THE MEN is taught/encouraged.
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Post by NotSureWhatToPutHere on Aug 23, 2015 12:35:09 GMT
The problem as well is that the PR church is a big machine... each church is a small cog revolving around synod and classis... they say there is local autonomy, but there isn't... The only "power" the local church has is to call their minister from the bunch of ministers that are all trained by the same professors. So they all have the same indoctrination as what is there now. Things won't change. There maybe some people that will try to change things, but you can't and from what I've seen, when you try.. you get labeled as a troublemaker. You can see from this poll that there are 19 churches that are practicing shunning of people. Some of the people that are being shunned are considered to be in "sin" by the prc because of whatever reason... but for me, and some others... our only sin was to leave the prc. We talked to 2 different PR ministers about being shunned and they both said that it wasn't right... and yet, nothing is being done about it. We have gotten very similar responses to gracefull. Its generally #3 ~ 3) You know we don't agree right, (Whispered silently when no other PR's are around) I know that there are PR's that are lurking and posting on this site... if you are male or in consistory or a pastor and you disagree with shunning, stand up about it! If you are female... sorry, there is really nothing that you can do because you have no recourse. If you complain you will be causing distention and if you are married and complain... you will be considered a contentious woman...
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Post by Andatlastiseethelight on Jan 7, 2022 4:01:58 GMT
I think the shunning thing comes down to a couple of things: a radical view of the “antithetical life”. Those in the world will indoctrinate you, and you must remain pure. You are “denying the covenant.” Not sure when the NT came into effect. Apparently, we are in the OT when it suits us.
And a subliminal message of coercive control. It’s unstated, but it’s understood—you leave “purest preaching of the word”, you are condemning yourself to hell. —turning your back on God. (Since god is the church.)
If only more PRs would realize, it’s a tactic to keep you in submission, and fearful of anything from the outside.
Feel like the moms in the church guilt trip the most, and can be incredibly cold/calloused.
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