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Post by freefromprc on Sept 15, 2016 1:32:19 GMT
Why do you think you and other PR's are being misrepresented? Didn't the Holy Spirit lead you to this place to debate people here (some who admitted they pray for the destruction of the Protestant Reformed Church) or did you trip on the link like it was a stumbling block? Is it possible your eyes are being opened to the truth? Hopefully she has a nagging suspicion just under the surface about the PRC. You almost can't blame someone behaving exactly as they have been trained. It really is a long road to untwist all that training. Interesting way to say it though iseeoniphone....the Holy Spirit lead her here.....I would add...and we don't know exactly why.....maybe he decided it is her time to see outside of the box.
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Post by Skyfall on Sept 15, 2016 15:31:57 GMT
Why do you think you and other PR's are being misrepresented? Didn't the Holy Spirit lead you to this place to debate people here (some who admitted they pray for the destruction of the Protestant Reformed Church) or did you trip on the link like it was a stumbling block? Is it possible your eyes are being opened to the truth? This is a fantastic question. It deals with whether or not "God is in control", or if "The devil made me do it". For someone so binary as anonuser, this would make for an interesting discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 14:16:51 GMT
Seriously, ask me anything. I am not here to claim I am an authority on what the PRC teaches, although I am a member, but I am interested in hearing what you have to say to me. My main interest here is that I feel I, as well as others in the church, am being misrepresented in the comments. Please do not misinterpret me as saying that I don't believe your stories listed elsewhere on the forum, because I know very well that bad people exist within our congregations. I simply feel that sometimes a blanket statement is used for all members of these churches when it isn't appropriate. And so, allow me to defend myself and my beliefs to you. All I want is to have a fair debate that represents both sides of our arguments well. I am willing to reveal personal details to a certain extent, although I do wish to remain anonymous so some questions may go unanswered. I will do the best I can to paint an accurate picture of myself and my beliefs without compromising that anonymity. 1. How many of your friends are not PRCA? 2. Could you be or are you friends with a gay person, a Roman Catholic, atheist, theistic evolutionist, divorced person? 3. Do you watch drama on television or the big screen? 4. Do you dance? 5. Do you trust/believe the Pope is the antichrist? 6. Do you trust/believe you must be a member in good standing of a church to be saved? 7. Would you admonish those in your church who shun if you personally knew about it? 8. Would you vacation in places where a PRCA church is not present or close by? 9. How do you deny the findings of science that do not fit in with the PRCA's interpretation of the Bible. 10. How do the above questions fit in with having a saving trust/belief in God?
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Post by crazychurch on Sept 25, 2016 17:10:14 GMT
Oh look, another PRCer Crashing and burning....
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Post by freefromprc on Sept 26, 2016 13:27:40 GMT
Seriously, ask me anything. I am not here to claim I am an authority on what the PRC teaches, although I am a member, but I am interested in hearing what you have to say to me. My main interest here is that I feel I, as well as others in the church, am being misrepresented in the comments. Please do not misinterpret me as saying that I don't believe your stories listed elsewhere on the forum, because I know very well that bad people exist within our congregations. I simply feel that sometimes a blanket statement is used for all members of these churches when it isn't appropriate. And so, allow me to defend myself and my beliefs to you. All I want is to have a fair debate that represents both sides of our arguments well. I am willing to reveal personal details to a certain extent, although I do wish to remain anonymous so some questions may go unanswered. I will do the best I can to paint an accurate picture of myself and my beliefs without compromising that anonymity. 1. How many of your friends are not PRCA? 2. Could you be or are you friends with a gay person, a Roman Catholic, atheist, theistic evolutionist, divorced person? 3. Do you watch drama on television or the big screen? 4. Do you dance? 5. Do you trust/believe the Pope is the antichrist? 6. Do you trust/believe you must be a member in good standing of a church to be saved? 7. Would you admonish those in your church who shun if you personally knew about it? 8. Would you vacation in places where a PRCA church is not present or close by? 9. How do you deny the findings of science that do not fit in with the PRCA's interpretation of the Bible. 10. How do the above questions fit in with having a saving trust/belief in God? It is hard for PRC members, especially young ones, to discuss their points outside of the PRC court. Bible studies, narthex discussions etc, are the normal places to discuss these things, and they happen almost exclusively with other PR people. Young people will sometimes try a discussion outside of the PRC arena, and then are shocked that there are actually other opinions that make sense. It shakes the foundation a little, and generally they will go back inside the safety and comfort of the PRC circle. At least now they know there is something out there beside the PRC.
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Post by question on Sept 26, 2017 17:29:52 GMT
Anonuser- you said ask anything Is it correct to assume that you are a single female? Because a female in the pr church is typically frowned apon if they work. Because it is the mans job to provide Second of all reading all of this makes it sound like your not part of the Michigan group.... I'm making this assumption due to the fact that you are unaware of the abuse that runs rampant in your church. I will get very graphic if I need to - there is a young woman who was a mother to young children and the father beat the hell out of his kids and wife... The pastor asked her what she was Doing wrong to her husband because she probably deserved to get beat.... The husband had a temper .... I would know I grew up with him. The pastor and consistory stood up for the husband.... Yes!!! True... Even when the kids would show up to school with bruises from that husband....and to make matters worse... The pastor told her is was wrong of her to hold back sex from her husband and that was a sin... Now you tell me to sit in a pew with these "leaders" who don't help a woman and children from an abuser??? And then come to find out these men are having affairs on their wives and are on gay websites??? Yes truth
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Post by question on Sept 26, 2017 17:32:57 GMT
Anonuser- you said ask anything Is it correct to assume that you are a single female? Because a female in the pr church is typically frowned apon if they work. Because it is the mans job to provide Second of all reading all of this makes it sound like your not part of the Michigan group.... I'm making this assumption due to the fact that you are unaware of the abuse that runs rampant in your church. I will get very graphic if I need to - there is a young woman who was a mother to young children and the father beat the hell out of his kids and wife... The pastor asked her what she was Doing wrong to her husband because she probably deserved to get beat.... The husband had a temper .... I would know I grew up with him. The pastor and consistory stood up for the husband.... Yes!!! True... Even when the kids would show up to school with bruises from that husband....and to make matters worse... The pastor told her is was wrong of her to hold back sex from her husband and that was a sin... Now you tell me to sit in a pew with these "leaders" who don't help a woman and children from an abuser??? And then come to find out these men are having affairs on their wives and are on gay websites??? Yes truth Is this woman and her children ok now? Wondering if she got away or if the abuse has stopped?
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Post by Admin on Sept 26, 2017 22:49:34 GMT
Anonuser- you said ask anything Is it correct to assume that you are a single female? Because a female in the pr church is typically frowned apon if they work. Because it is the mans job to provide Second of all reading all of this makes it sound like your not part of the Michigan group.... I'm making this assumption due to the fact that you are unaware of the abuse that runs rampant in your church. I will get very graphic if I need to - there is a young woman who was a mother to young children and the father beat the hell out of his kids and wife... The pastor asked her what she was Doing wrong to her husband because she probably deserved to get beat.... The husband had a temper .... I would know I grew up with him. The pastor and consistory stood up for the husband.... Yes!!! True... Even when the kids would show up to school with bruises from that husband....and to make matters worse... The pastor told her is was wrong of her to hold back sex from her husband and that was a sin... Now you tell me to sit in a pew with these "leaders" who don't help a woman and children from an abuser??? And then come to find out these men are having affairs on their wives and are on gay websites??? Yes truth Is this woman and her children ok now? Wondering if she got away or if the abuse has stopped? Hi question! Thanks for posting.
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Post by freefromprc on Sept 27, 2017 20:16:23 GMT
Anonuser- you said ask anything Is it correct to assume that you are a single female? Because a female in the pr church is typically frowned apon if they work. Because it is the mans job to provide Second of all reading all of this makes it sound like your not part of the Michigan group.... I'm making this assumption due to the fact that you are unaware of the abuse that runs rampant in your church. I will get very graphic if I need to - there is a young woman who was a mother to young children and the father beat the hell out of his kids and wife... The pastor asked her what she was Doing wrong to her husband because she probably deserved to get beat.... The husband had a temper .... I would know I grew up with him. The pastor and consistory stood up for the husband.... Yes!!! True... Even when the kids would show up to school with bruises from that husband....and to make matters worse... The pastor told her is was wrong of her to hold back sex from her husband and that was a sin... Now you tell me to sit in a pew with these "leaders" who don't help a woman and children from an abuser??? And then come to find out these men are having affairs on their wives and are on gay websites??? Yes truth Is this woman and her children ok now? Wondering if she got away or if the abuse has stopped? I do not recall if we know the result here. It is sad to know that this woman has been trained to believe this is normal, and to believe that this is what the Bible means when it says women are to submit to their husbands. So wrong!
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Post by seeker on Oct 16, 2017 15:39:35 GMT
a - yes he is. but that does not mean that being brought up pr is god leading. maybe god left you there. muslims bring up new muslims. catholics bring up catholics. pr bring up pr If you believe that God is omnipotent, then you should also believe God has the power to lead his children to a church by having them born into it. I agree that there is a large ratio of internal to external growth in the PRC. However, I don't think that makes their teachings right or wrong. your point b explains that you are indoctrinated. you seem to only know what the prc taught you. no cult member believes they are in a cult.......until they leave By the definition of indoctrination, I am not indoctrinated. Indoctrination is being unable to think critically.
Are you trying to say I am in a cult? Please provide proof that the PRC is a cult.c - maybe this is a stat you should know. if you believe god leads the pr there, why does the church only grow internally Why didn't you answer my question?d - you said you have not spent time in other churches. the amish do not either, yet they are convinced they are right I have spent minimal time in other churches. My immediate family, who I trust, had spent years and traveled across the United States trying to find a church that taught what they believed. They believed the same things as the PRC before they were in the PRC, but simply had no luck finding a church that taught exactly what they believed before that point. What do you think about that? i am not trying to hurt your feelings. i actually feel bad for the people stuck there. they have no idea. i was there too once Thank you for your concern. It means a lot to me that you care about not hurting my feelings with your questions. I aim to do the same with mine.
interesting comment you made. you asked, does the bible say that a church that teaches pure doctrine will also have the most converts? the only response i can think of is that a church that does not teach pure doctrine will certainly not have the most converts.
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Post by seeker on Oct 16, 2017 15:42:00 GMT
Seeker: A. Yes, I do believe that is where God led them. Do you believe God is omnipotent? B. I take issue with the fact that you assert I was indoctrinated in your question. Being indoctrinated implies that you are unable to look at your beliefs critically. I was taught by the PRCA to always be critical of my beliefs. I would like to think that I am living up to being critical of my beliefs by welcoming you to challenge them. Taking into account the argument I have presented, do you still feel that I am indoctrinated? Please do not ask questions with assertions that have not been proved. C. I do not know the number of people who came to our church from outside churches. I personally don't think it matters. Does it say in the Bible somewhere that the church who is teaching the pure Word of God will also have the most converts?D. I do not wonder if I am here because it is all I know, because it is not all I know. My family came from outside the PRC. They found the PRC after searching for many years for a church that taught what they believed. Do you have a question for me about what I believe? I'll keep answering any questions you have, but please be careful not to make unfounded assertions in your questions. interesting comment you made. you asked, does the bible say that a church that teaches pure doctrine will also have the most converts? the only response i can think of is that a church that does not teach pure doctrine will certainly not have the most converts. also, where did you go? you left the site?
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Post by maggie on May 14, 2018 16:47:27 GMT
Seeker: A. Yes, I do believe that is where God led them. Do you believe God is omnipotent? B. I take issue with the fact that you assert I was indoctrinated in your question. Being indoctrinated implies that you are unable to look at your beliefs critically. I was taught by the PRCA to always be critical of my beliefs. I would like to think that I am living up to being critical of my beliefs by welcoming you to challenge them. Taking into account the argument I have presented, do you still feel that I am indoctrinated? Please do not ask questions with assertions that have not been proved. C. I do not know the number of people who came to our church from outside churches. I personally don't think it matters. Does it say in the Bible somewhere that the church who is teaching the pure Word of God will also have the most converts?D. I do not wonder if I am here because it is all I know, because it is not all I know. My family came from outside the PRC. They found the PRC after searching for many years for a church that taught what they believed. Do you have a question for me about what I believe? I'll keep answering any questions you have, but please be careful not to make unfounded assertions in your questions. interesting comment you made. you asked, does the bible say that a church that teaches pure doctrine will also have the most converts? the only response i can think of is that a church that does not teach pure doctrine will certainly not have the most converts. also, where did you go? you left the site?
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Post by soldierofChrist on May 14, 2018 22:38:34 GMT
Seriously, ask me anything. I am not here to claim I am an authority on what the PRC teaches, although I am a member, but I am interested in hearing what you have to say to me. My main interest here is that I feel I, as well as others in the church, am being misrepresented in the comments. Please do not misinterpret me as saying that I don't believe your stories listed elsewhere on the forum, because I know very well that bad people exist within our congregations. I simply feel that sometimes a blanket statement is used for all members of these churches when it isn't appropriate. And so, allow me to defend myself and my beliefs to you. All I want is to have a fair debate that represents both sides of our arguments well. I am willing to reveal personal details to a certain extent, although I do wish to remain anonymous so some questions may go unanswered. I will do the best I can to paint an accurate picture of myself and my beliefs without compromising that anonymity. Hi anonuser Though individual names will undoubtedly come up to do with PRCA it is the PRCA specifically that is at fault on several counts. This flows out of the flawed teachings of PRCA and you know what these are if you search my threads and posts. I have written sufficiently on these things I think. Have a look if you wish. I have no immediate wish to say the same things over again as it can become wearying for some. The experience of people who have or even are still having issues with the PRCA flow from these deficient notions PRCA have with their central reliance on logic, history and the creeds and are only holders of Sola Scriptura in a theoretical manner. You will see this in reading PRCA material.
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Post by btrlatethnnver on Jul 30, 2018 22:19:04 GMT
Hi anonuser. Why are you coming here to discuss your beliefs anonymously if you are a PR. Isn't your confession of faith that your words and actions represent Jesus and the body of believers? I don't think you really love the PRC like you claim or you wouldn't come here to discuss your beliefs with people that don't confess their faith as the pr church does. As a member of that church you DO represent them by what you say here. Did you consult with your consistory before you posted here? Their "confession of faith" is really based on outward appearance. They are more than willing to spout their real opinion provided that the other members don't identify them. If you read this thread, this person is so infatuated with staying anonymous so that no one could trace her back. If you're so strong in what you believe, putting on the "armor of God", what is there really to fear? Unless of course, they are doubting...
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Post by btrlatethnnver on Jul 30, 2018 22:26:27 GMT
Confession of faith is yet another of the many things done out of routine custom for most of the blind youth. Believe me, that was me. I was told BY THE MINISTER, that "My comfort comes in the fact that I have doubts about my salvation, because the reprobate wouldn't care." What utter hogwash.
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