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Post by maggie on May 17, 2018 18:50:20 GMT
I use the Daily Bread in my daily devotions. In today's meditation author states from Matthew 11:25-28, 'Unlike many other religious teachers' emphasis on rigorous study of Scripture or an elaborate set of rules, Jesus taught that it's simply knowing Him that we know God. In seeking Him, we find our heavy burdens lifted and our lives transformed'. I thought that statement says a lot!
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Post by judeverse24 on May 20, 2018 9:31:18 GMT
I use the Daily Bread in my daily devotions. In today's meditation author states from Matthew 11:25-28, 'Unlike many other religious teachers' emphasis on rigorous study of Scripture or an elaborate set of rules, Jesus taught that it's simply knowing Him that we know God. In seeking Him, we find our heavy burdens lifted and our lives transformed'. I thought that statement says a lot! It does indeed, and if this isn't the case, regardless of how many lectures you've given or how many books/articles you've written, you're nothing more than a noisy gong and a clanging cymbal.
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Post by cannalily on May 20, 2018 12:14:53 GMT
I use the Daily Bread in my daily devotions. In today's meditation author states from Matthew 11:25-28, 'Unlike many other religious teachers' emphasis on rigorous study of Scripture or an elaborate set of rules, Jesus taught that it's simply knowing Him that we know God. In seeking Him, we find our heavy burdens lifted and our lives transformed'. I thought that statement says a lot! It does indeed, and if this isn't the case, regardless of how many lectures you've given or how many books/articles you've written, you're nothing more than a noisy gong and a clanging cymbal. Where have I heard that before? Oh right...
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Post by rodney on May 23, 2018 11:09:16 GMT
But we can't "simply know Him" unless He reveal Himself to us: "no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him" (Mt.11:26), and the only source of information about Who Jesus is and what he came to do is His Word. "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me" (Jn.5:39). The point is "rigorous study of Scripture" is not against personal knowledge of Christ! It is essential to it. It is not the ONLY thing that is needed. It takes the free, efficacious grace of the Holy Spirit of Christ to open our minds and hearts to the saving knowledge of Him, but without the medium of Scripture and rigorous study thereof, there can be no "simple knowing" Him. Excessive dogmatism of the PRC should not push us in the opposite direction of embracing silly sentimental booklets, which sell anti-doctrinal, anti-intellectual evangelical pietism, which, BTW can be just as oppressive, manipulative as the PRC.
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Post by cannalily on May 23, 2018 11:16:05 GMT
But we can't "simply know Him" unless He reveal Himself to us: "no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him" (Mt.11:26), and the only source of information about Who Jesus is and what he came to do is His Word. "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me" (Jn.5:39). The point is "rigorous study of Scripture" is not against personal knowledge of Christ! It is essential to it. It is not the ONLY thing that is needed. It takes the free, efficacious grace of the Holy Spirit of Christ to open our minds and hearts to the saving knowledge of Him, but without the medium of Scripture and rigorous study thereof, there can be no "simple knowing" Him. Excessive dogmatism of the PRC should not push us in the opposite direction of embracing silly sentimental booklets, which sell anti-doctrinal, anti-intellectual evangelical pietism, which, BTW can be just as oppressive, manipulative as the PRC. Yeah, you don't have a clue. You really don't have any idea what it's like to be destroyed by the PRC do you. If you did, you'd run for the hills from these people. But because you're on the take in regard to Russian translation, it makes sense that you'd come here and say things like this.
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Post by rodney on May 23, 2018 11:59:01 GMT
Cannalily I have had my runs with PRC and am grateful to the good Lord I will never be a member of this denomination. I was not defending PRC, I was defending the need to study Scriptures.
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Post by cannalily on May 23, 2018 12:00:53 GMT
Cannalily I have had my runs with PRC and am grateful to the good Lord I will never be a member of this denomination. I was not defending PRC, I was defending the need to study Scriptures. But yet you translate for them? got it.
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Post by rodney on May 23, 2018 12:11:55 GMT
I'm not translating for them. I'm translating one title presently at the suggestion and financial support of a friend of mine who is a particular Baptist. I'm not being paid by the PRC. I work and minister independently from them. I "happen" to agree with some of their tenets, but that doesn't mean I buy their dogmatism wholesale, or else I would not be here, discussing what aspects turn a reformed church into a cult.
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Post by judeverse24 on May 23, 2018 16:37:44 GMT
Cannalily I have had ms with PRC and am grl to the good Lord I will never be a member of this denomination. I was not defending PRC, I was defending the need to study Scriptures. But yet you translate for them? got it. The CPRC are always murmuring, complaining, criticizing, sneering, pouring scorn on everyone who disagrees with them, and then there're all those letters to the newspapers. However, they don't mind using premises belonging to other churches when they need them. They really do have a brass neck. Sounds a lot like their mother church in America.
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Post by rodney on May 23, 2018 17:22:08 GMT
For the record, I'm no part of the CPRC either. I belong to a different church altogether, which has ties with neither body.
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Post by judeverse24 on May 23, 2018 17:36:19 GMT
I'm not translating for them. I'm translating one title presently at the suggestion and financial support of a friend of mine who is a patranslatorstist. I'm not being paid by the PRC. I work and minister independently from them. I "happen" to agree with some of their tenets, but that doesn't mean I buy their dogmatism wholesale, or else I would not be here, discussing what aspects turn a reformed church into a cult. When I asked you if you were the Russian translator for the CPRC's website, you replied that you are one of several individuals who contribute. Did you mean that you used to be one of their translators but not anymore?
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Post by rodney on May 23, 2018 18:12:00 GMT
I translate their materials from time to time on a voluntary basis. I'm not paid for those translations either by PRC or by CPRC. There was one project in the past (almost a decade ago) which the PRC sponsored.
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Post by rodney on May 23, 2018 18:15:16 GMT
In any event, my initial response to the OP had nothing whatsoever to do with either defence or promotion of anything that is particularly PRC-ish. We do need to study Scriptures in order to learn of Christ irrespective of our denominational allegiance.
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Post by freefromprc on May 23, 2018 21:43:56 GMT
But yet you translate for them? got it. The CPRC are always murmuring, complaining, criticizing, sneering, pouring scorn on everyone who disagrees with them, and then there're all those letters to the newspapers. However, they don't mind using premises belonging to other churches when they need them. They really do have a brass neck. Sounds a lot like their mother church in America. What letters to the newspapers are you referring to?
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Post by judeverse24 on May 24, 2018 8:31:38 GMT
The CPRC are always murmuring, complaining, criticizing, sneering, pouring scorn on everyone who disagrees with them, and then there're all those letters to the newspapers. However, they don't mind using premises belonging to other churches when they need them. They really do have a brass neck. Sounds a lot like their mother church in America. What letters to the newspapers are you referring to? Their minister has written lots of letters to the newspapers. Usually, it's to point out errors in other denominations. He also went through the hymn book of The Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster, in order to point out errors in hymns and failings in the lives of the hymn writers. As far as I know, it's still psalms, hymns and paraphrases. As you know, I'm from N.Ireland, and I thought the ministers writing to the newspapers thing was something the ministers all did in mother church. I think Angus Stewart's born again but has allowed himself to be deluded and is now brainwashed by this little cult.
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