rodney
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Post by rodney on Jun 25, 2018 18:18:20 GMT
Has your experience with the PRCA led you to question the Reformed faith altogether and to what degree?
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Post by cannalily on Jun 28, 2018 15:09:06 GMT
Has your experience with the PRCA led you to question the Reformed faith altogether and to what degree? It's got major holes, that they cover up. And if you think against the reformed dogma, they heap piles of guilt on you. |
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rodney
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Post by rodney on Jun 28, 2018 21:39:19 GMT
What holes?
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Post by cannalily on Jun 29, 2018 2:34:37 GMT
Really? Have you read this site? |
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Post by cannalily on Jun 29, 2018 11:33:36 GMT
Really? Have you read this site? I think the question was more about reformed theology specifically. Has your experience with the PRC led you to question any broadly held reformed beliefs? I'm pretty sure freefromprc goes over this ad nauseam here. |
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Post by jozzy on Jun 29, 2018 22:40:31 GMT
I know most users on this forum are still Christian, so this might be an unpopular opinion. I no longer believe in religion or the Bible. It seems to me that it is more of a psychological or social practice than a reality-based truth. There is no compelling proof that the Bible is infallible or that a God exists. And the number of religions practiced and believed in the world leads me to believe that they all were creations of human beings, molded by our various cultures.
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Post by seeker on Jun 30, 2018 3:00:15 GMT
I know most users on this forum are still Christian, so this might be an unpopular opinion. I no longer believe in religion or the Bible. It seems to me that it is more of a psychological or social practice than a reality-based truth. There is no compelling proof that the Bible is infallible or that a God exists. And the number of religions practiced and believed in the world leads me to believe that they all were creations of human beings, molded by our various cultures. do you think the bible was written by men to explain things we do not understand? |
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Post by soldierofChrist on Jun 30, 2018 11:27:53 GMT
I know most users on this forum are still Christian, so this might be an unpopular opinion. I no longer believe in religion or the Bible. It seems to me that it is more of a psychological or social practice than a reality-based truth. There is no compelling proof that the Bible is infallible or that a God exists. And the number of religions practiced and believed in the world leads me to believe that they all were creations of human beings, molded by our various cultures. You have posted and I value that... so are you open to discussing these things jozzy? |
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Post by gratefullyfree on Jun 30, 2018 11:55:46 GMT
I know most users on this forum are still Christian, so this might be an unpopular opinion. I no longer believe in religion or the Bible. It seems to me that it is more of a psychological or social practice than a reality-based truth. There is no compelling proof that the Bible is infallible or that a God exists. And the number of religions practiced and believed in the world leads me to believe that they all were creations of human beings, molded by our various cultures. Jozzy, I appreciate you having the courage to post what you suspect may be an unpopular opinion. I wanted to ask, do you feel that the PRC is what turned you away from a belief in Christ, or was it something else that happened in your life? You don't have to get specific if it's personal, but I would be interested to know if it was strictly the PRC and its related procedures. |
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Post by freefromprc on Jun 30, 2018 14:26:46 GMT
I know most users on this forum are still Christian, so this might be an unpopular opinion. I no longer believe in religion or the Bible. It seems to me that it is more of a psychological or social practice than a reality-based truth. There is no compelling proof that the Bible is infallible or that a God exists. And the number of religions practiced and believed in the world leads me to believe that they all were creations of human beings, molded by our various cultures. I really appreciate the honesty in this post. It would be interesting to know the background of jozzy. I know this, that once the teachings of the prc teachings start to crack, the foundations of the any religious beliefs start to crumble. It is easy to just pretend and go along with the rest of the pr people, but there are a few courageous people who find it in themselves to just be completely honest with themselves and openly express their opinion. Thanks for the post jozzy. |
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Post by freefromprc on Jun 30, 2018 15:30:56 GMT
The sad thing is that the prc will read this thread and use their twisted doctrine to discredit it. They will say that the prc doctrine is a two edged sword, drawing the elect into itself and exposing the reprobate. I believed that rhetoric for a long time. It is a tactic used to create fear, and hold it's members in, who will believe that leaving this cult will cast their souls into certain damnation. Very very sad.
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Post by jozzy on Jun 30, 2018 15:47:50 GMT
I know most users on this forum are still Christian, so this might be an unpopular opinion. I no longer believe in religion or the Bible. It seems to me that it is more of a psychological or social practice than a reality-based truth. There is no compelling proof that the Bible is infallible or that a God exists. And the number of religions practiced and believed in the world leads me to believe that they all were creations of human beings, molded by our various cultures. do you think the bible was written by men to explain things we do not understand? I dont know why the Bible was written. I think men wrote it, perhaps some learned men and some who had wisdom and insight above their peers. I haven't studied this at length though, and there seem to be differing opinions relating to different archeological discoveries and differing interpretations of things. It does seems to me to be an attempt at explanation of the world, the universe, and humanity. I know most users on this forum are still Christian, so this might be an unpopular opinion. I no longer believe in religion or the Bible. It seems to me that it is more of a psychological or social practice than a reality-based truth. There is no compelling proof that the Bible is infallible or that a God exists. And the number of religions practiced and believed in the world leads me to believe that they all were creations of human beings, molded by our various cultures. You have posted and I value that... so are you open to discussing these things jozzy? Yes, I do not have very many answers. I'm open to discussion, but I'm not looking to 'de-convert' anyone or something like that. Belief is a personal thing and should be personally reflected upon. |
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Post by jozzy on Jul 1, 2018 17:13:44 GMT
I know most users on this forum are still Christian, so this might be an unpopular opinion. I no longer believe in religion or the Bible. It seems to me that it is more of a psychological or social practice than a reality-based truth. There is no compelling proof that the Bible is infallible or that a God exists. And the number of religions practiced and believed in the world leads me to believe that they all were creations of human beings, molded by our various cultures. Jozzy, I appreciate you having the courage to post what you suspect may be an unpopular opinion. I wanted to ask, do you feel that the PRC is what turned you away from a belief in Christ, or was it something else that happened in your life? You don't have to get specific if it's personal, but I would be interested to know if it was strictly the PRC and its related procedures. I think the only reason I believed was because of indoctrination and being sheltered from the outside world. When I was a teenager I read many different ideas and viewpoints on internet forums but rejected them with the logic that the church's conditioning had taught me. When I finished the PR school system and went to college, my eyes and heart were opened when I met and interacted with people who were supposedly wicked sinners bound for hell. (Yes I had never been alone with non-PRs before). "These people dont believe the truth and are bound for everlasting eternity of suffering according to the church and bible," I told myself, but deep in my heart I couldn't and didn't believe that. Since then, I've allowed my mind to explore different ideas and see that some ideas condemned by my former way of thinking are actually grounded in observation and logic. So to answer your question, perhaps growing up with an emphasis on truth and logic while being overly sheltered, and being afraid to ask too many 'heretical' questions. I dont think these are distinctly PR things, but I think we can agree that they are distinctive traits of a PR upbringing. |
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Post by jozzy on Jul 1, 2018 17:22:51 GMT
The sad thing is that the prc will read this thread and use their twisted doctrine to discredit it. They will say that the prc doctrine is a two edged sword, drawing the elect into itself and exposing the reprobate. I believed that rhetoric for a long time. It is a tactic used to create fear, and hold it's members in, who will believe that leaving this cult will cast their souls into certain damnation. Very very sad. Yes, the ingrained guilt and fear feels very real even if your conscious brain finds flaw in their teachings. These two emotions seem to be harnessed very easily to control people. |
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Post by soldierofChrist on Jul 1, 2018 21:20:54 GMT
Hi Jozzy
I am certainly not PRCA. It is the system which has the greatest degree of consistency that is to be sought out and you can do that by comparing actual beliefs of the various philosophical / religious notions / claims and logic which you mention, is a good way to do just that. But, on all sides, intellectual honesty is needed and a willingness to let go of notions that are not water tight or inconsistent after all. The first I would like to discuss is a world derived by time plus chance as opposed to Creation by supernatural means if you are interested.
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