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Post by pemptyr on Aug 27, 2019 6:11:49 GMT
What do Christians mean when they say they have a personal relationship with God or Jesus? Is it an emotional feeling or something different?
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Post by throwaway2018 on Aug 27, 2019 12:42:12 GMT
What do Christians mean when they say they have a personal relationship with God or Jesus? Is it an emotional feeling or something different? I think it in general refers to the fact that Christians pray to God about their trials, needs, etc. and feel they get answers and guidance back in response to those prayers. I actually recently watched a series on youtube by a person with the username Prplfox and he talked a lot about how he felt he had a relationship with God/Christ and how it affected his life. If anyone is curious I can link it otherwise you can also find it pretty easily just by searching that username.
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Post by questioneverything on Aug 27, 2019 15:58:45 GMT
What do Christians mean when they say they have a personal relationship with God or Jesus? Is it an emotional feeling or something different? I think it in general refers to the fact that Christians pray to God about their trials, needs, etc. and feel they get answers and guidance back in response to those prayers. I actually recently watched a series on youtube by a person with the username Prplfox and he talked a lot about how he felt he had a relationship with God/Christ and how it affected his life. If anyone is curious I can link it otherwise you can also find it pretty easily just by searching that username. I did a search using the KJV on Biblegateway.com for the word "personal". It doesn't show up anywhere. Interesting. It seems to me that relationships seem to be more in line with societal relationships than personal within the Bible. God and the Jewish nation, God and Jesus with believers. The Bible doesn't talk much about personal relationships with God except a handful of instances in the OT. He seems to have been replaced in the NT by his angels. Although, emphasizing a personal relationship does seem to be the American way of things. I think you are correct, throwaway2018, in that it deals with prayers and personal bible study, etc. It also seems to me to create millions of gods among countless Christians, even within the same denomination, each having different concepts of who God is and how this God interacts with them in a personal way. I'm not so sure if the concept is biblical or not, but then the Trinity isn't mentioned in the Bible either.
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Post by pemptyr on Aug 27, 2019 20:25:14 GMT
Thanks for replies. I hear that phrase quite a bit but I don't remember if I've ever heard it from the protesting members against the crc. I have never felt any feelings like I have a personal relationship with Jesus because I haven't seen him. If it's prayer then a relationship with Jesus is him mediating for us?
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Post by throwaway2018 on Aug 27, 2019 21:07:30 GMT
Thanks for replies. I hear that phrase quite a bit but I don't remember if I've ever heard it from the protesting members against the crc. I have never felt any feelings like I have a personal relationship with Jesus because I haven't seen him. If it's prayer then a relationship with Jesus is him mediating for us? I never would have used that language myself either when I was a Christian. I think it tends to be more common among churches in the south. The Dutch are far too stoic to use such emotional lanugage . I think what questioneverything brought up something really important - when a culture uses the language of "having a personal relationship with God", individual people tend to have very different interpretations of who God is. There's more of a reliance on guidance you feel from God rather than following the Bible. That certainly wouldn't do for the PRC - they want to discourage individuality in religion as much as possible and encourage homogeneity.
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Post by freefromprc on Aug 29, 2019 12:55:34 GMT
What do Christians mean when they say they have a personal relationship with God or Jesus? Is it an emotional feeling or something different? Here is a thought. People post their significant other on their FB page. Its something that a lot of people do, maybe most. I have yet to see a Protestant Reformed member use their relationship with Jesus as the most important thing about them on Face Book. This became glaringly obvious when Ron Hanko used Darwin for his signature quote on the Orchid website he was extremely involved in. There was nothing on that site that gave anyone a hint that he was a minister, or cared at all about God or Jesus. It was classic PRC legalistic relationship. They have a relationship with Jesus or God only when they are on show. My point is, if you are asking anyone associated with the PRC what it means to have a personal relationship with God or Jesus, you will not get an answer. They do not understand what a relationship is. They only understand legalism, which is what they think a relationship is.
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Post by throwaway2018 on Aug 29, 2019 13:19:13 GMT
What do Christians mean when they say they have a personal relationship with God or Jesus? Is it an emotional feeling or something different? Here is a thought. People post their significant other on their FB page. Its something that a lot of people do, maybe most. I have yet to see a Protestant Reformed member use their relationship with Jesus as the most important thing about them on Face Book. This became glaringly obvious when Ron Hanko used Darwin for his signature quote on the Orchid website he was extremely involved in. There was nothing on that site that gave anyone a hint that he was a minister, or cared at all about God or Jesus. It was classic PRC legalistic relationship. They have a relationship with Jesus or God only when they are on show. My point is, if you are asking anyone associated with the PRC what it means to have a personal relationship with God or Jesus, you will not get an answer. They do not understand what a relationship is. They only understand legalism, which is what they think a relationship is. You know, that's something I never really considered but that observation has been true for me too. Any PR friends I had would have thought it was really weird to talk about God or Jesus in a more friendly or loving manner. Religion was more restricted to "God thinks this", or "the Bible says this". I remember being taught the ACTS prayer acronym for how to pray (adoration, confession, thanksgiving, supplication) - pretty much everyone kept the adoration part as minimal as possible I think partially because we had never heard much of an adoration in prayer other than "hallowed be thy name". Then my college friends who were not PR (even though they were mostly some form of Dutch Reformed) were the opposite. Their prayers tended to be very focused on the adoration portion. A few other notes: I think the PRC forcing thee and thou when talking to God removes some of the idea of a personal relationship. It doesn't really feel like you're actually talking to someone real when the way you speak isn't the way you'd speak to anyone else no matter how much authority they had over you. I also find that the PRC seems to bizarrely focus on God the Father while Christ and the Holy Spirit get left by the wayside. I think the Holy Spirit gets ignored because you might start leaning into Pentecostal territory if you start spending time focusing on the Holy Spirit, but basically the only time Christ comes up is to reference him dying on the cross. Whereas literally everyone else from any other denomination that I've come across seems to spend a lot of time referring to Jesus. Instead of "God we thank thee" it's "Jesus we thank you". Not sure if it has anything to do with the personal relationship thing or not.
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Post by pemptyr on Aug 29, 2019 16:40:36 GMT
What do Christians mean when they say they have a personal relationship with God or Jesus? Is it an emotional feeling or something different? Here is a thought. People post their significant other on their FB page. Its something that a lot of people do, maybe most. I have yet to see a Protestant Reformed member use their relationship with Jesus as the most important thing about them on Face Book. This became glaringly obvious when Ron Hanko used Darwin for his signature quote on the Orchid website he was extremely involved in. There was nothing on that site that gave anyone a hint that he was a minister, or cared at all about God or Jesus. It was classic PRC legalistic relationship. They have a relationship with Jesus or God only when they are on show. My point is, if you are asking anyone associated with the PRC what it means to have a personal relationship with God or Jesus, you will not get an answer. They do not understand what a relationship is. They only understand legalism, which is what they think a relationship is. Facebook lol, think about how many prc'ers post false doctrine on their page because it looked innocent enough and it helps them project how they want to be seen. I think the negative of Facebook far outweighs the positive especially for that church.
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Post by throwaway2018 on Aug 29, 2019 20:38:50 GMT
Prayers are made to Jesus as he has bridged the gap between God and man. He is the mediator (through the spirit). It shows how fully PRC indoctrinated I am that I never considered that. It makes perfect sense.
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Post by questioneverything on Aug 29, 2019 21:21:20 GMT
Prayers are made to Jesus as he has bridged the gap between God and man. He is the mediator (through the spirit). It shows how crazy PRC indoctrinated I am that I never considered that. It makes perfect sense. It's difficult to understand how God works in us through God's death to save ourselves from God.
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Post by questioneverything on Aug 29, 2019 21:33:13 GMT
It shows how crazy PRC indoctrinated I am that I never considered that. It makes perfect sense. It's difficult to understand how God works in us through God's death to save ourselves from God. I also have a difficult time handling the fact that Christianity is a blood religion. Violence, pain, and suffering are required, exalted even. Sometimes it seems, usually actually, to be rather in line with most ancient beliefs, not really offering anything different from other religions of the Near East Plain.
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Post by Feminist on Sept 1, 2019 3:14:27 GMT
It shows how crazy PRC indoctrinated I am that I never considered that. It makes perfect sense. It's difficult to understand how God works in us through God's death to save ourselves from God. Curious, are you saying you never heard that in the PRC? I actually heard that on multiple occasions
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Post by questioneverything on Sept 1, 2019 3:54:08 GMT
It's difficult to understand how God works in us through God's death to save ourselves from God. Curious, are you saying you never heard that in the PRC? I actually heard that on multiple occasions I've heard it my whole life long. It doesn't answer my questions, though. I struggle within the realm of the supernatural.
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Post by Feminist on Sept 2, 2019 4:10:54 GMT
Curious, are you saying you never heard that in the PRC? I actually heard that on multiple occasions I've heard it my whole life long. It doesn't answer my questions, though. I struggle within the realm of the supernatural. Oh, okay. Gotcha. You are not alone in your struggle with those questions!
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