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Post by tetra on Jul 12, 2021 16:51:08 GMT
Wayback Machine is an awesome site that archives other internet sites. It saves snapshots of website pages so that it's possible go back and see how a website has changed through the years. I find it interesting to look up random sites. Anyways, today I decided to look up Covenant's website. Wayback Machine has snapshots going back to 2002. I found an weird page called "Teacher links." It seems to be a page where some of the teachers posted links related to their classes. I don't know why, but I found it really interesting what kinds of links were there. I wonder how much the teachers used them in their lesson plans. web.archive.org/web/20030711160459/http://covenantchristianhs.org/links.htmSome of the links, especially in the Cults section, are really really sketchy. For example: www.bible.ca/false.htmSince most of the links are related to Modern World History, Geography and Cults, I'm guessing this was the work of Mr. DeVries. But that's just conjecture. Does anyone else besides me find this stuff interesting?
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Post by prnolonger on Jul 12, 2021 17:23:57 GMT
Wayback Machine is an awesome site that archives other internet sites. It saves snapshots of website pages so that it's possible go back and see how a website has changed through the years. I find it interesting to look up random sites. Anyways, today I decided to look up Covenant's website. Wayback Machine has snapshots going back to 2002. I found an weird page called "Teacher links." It seems to be a page where some of the teachers posted links related to their classes. I don't know why, but I found it really interesting what kinds of links were there. I wonder how much the teachers used them in their lesson plans. web.archive.org/web/20030711160459/http://covenantchristianhs.org/links.htmSome of the links, especially in the Cults section, are really really sketchy. For example: www.bible.ca/false.htmSince most of the links are related to Modern World History, Geography and Cults, I'm guessing this was the work of Mr. DeVries. But that's just conjecture. Does anyone else besides me find this stuff interesting?Yes. A little bit of legwork has shown me that this website is run by Steven Rudd out of Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. The website is current and has updated pages to this day. Who is Steven Rudd, you say? Well, he's just some dude who attends/preaches at a Church of Christ. Good job, Covenant. Your sources for your cults class is the ramblings of a madman from the Church of Christ. Let's take a look at what we have here. I always have a soft spot for eschatology of weirdos. Here's Steven Rudd's 165 page commentary on Revelation. Awesome cover art there, Steven. It's full of anti-Semitism and numerology nonsense. Open up that document and hit ctrl+F "Jew". 462 results. Numerology stuff about how the certain events happen every 490 years to the solar day. Wouldn't be the first time that a Covenant teacher is listing explicitly anti-Semitic sources. As I have written on here before, the PRC has a long and storied history of both media appearances with and material citations of absolute lunatics, conspiracists, and COVID and holocaust deniers. This includes media appearances by DJE himself. I particularly like that that website has a whole page devoted to " CALVINISM REFUTED WITH THE BIBLE FALSE DOCTRINE". Even when citing things about cults they can't help but stumble into citing something that disagrees with their own beliefs. It pairs nicely with the " PSYCHIATRY IS AN ANTI-CHRISTIAN EVOLUTIONIST LIE FROM THE DEVIL" page. Boy this guy really hates psychiatry. Here is the root directory for anyone else wanting to peruse through this madness. All PRC materials, from the school curriculum to the books in the back of church to the magazines like Standard Bearer and Beacon Lights have absolutely massive problems with this kind of stuff. Once you know how to look for it, you see it everywhere. There is an endemic inability to understand and vet sources within the PRC. Reading comprehension is absolutely abysmal. Citations for materials not only don't say what the author says they say, but often link to extremists of every flavor up to and including neo-Nazis. If anyone in the PRC, and I mean ANYONE, bothered looking at sources within PR materials, this problem becomes immediately apparent. It is very obvious that they are just google searching "REASONS WHY JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ARE A CULT" or whatever and grabbing whatever shows up that agrees with them and citing it. They don't know what they're doing. They don't understand their own sources. They don't understand the process of academia whatsoever, they're just citing things because they know that they need to look like they have sources for their stuff to make it look legit. The PRC is completely intellectually bankrupt.
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Post by wewerepr on Jul 12, 2021 18:10:49 GMT
A yes from me!
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Post by tetra on Jul 12, 2021 19:42:47 GMT
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Post by prnolonger on Jul 12, 2021 20:00:08 GMT
Yeah, that's Kalsbeek linking to Mormon conspiracist extraordinaire Brannon Howse. He and Worldview Weekend are still active today and big into antivaxx and secret communists. Here's the most recent episode of "Worldview Weekend" where Brannon Howse talks about how Democrats are Marxists and the COVID DEATH shots will kill you and the MyPillow guy Mike Lindell is going to prove that the election was stolen with his cyber symposium and going to reinstate Donald Trump. He runs with the QAnon crowd like General Flynn. He also funded and directed Mike Lindell's documentary " Absolute Proof". Like a lot of far-right grifters, he hocks gold and constantly preaches that buying gold is the only way to survive the incoming collapse of the dollar done by the JEWS secret communist globalist cabal that controls the Federal Reserve. One of the other links on that site also goes to this page with the history of Psychology and the Church. It also gives it the much cooler and more metal name of "Psychoheresy". Hoo boy, recurring theme here. I tend to refrain from using names because of the forum rules, but since this is the second time he's come up and you already said his name. Yeah, Kalsbeek is particularly bad. He's a paint-by-numbers John Birch Society wacko. But hey, at least he wasn't there indoctrinating kids for literally multiple decades! CCHS literally had a class called "worldviews" with a teacher that taught that the world is secretly controlled by communist Jews. Like I said before, once you know how to look for this stuff, it is literally everywhere in the PRCA.
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Post by tetra on Jul 12, 2021 20:20:02 GMT
I took Mr. Kalsbeek's World Views class at Covenant. It was recommended to me by several other Covenant teachers as almost necessary, if I wanted to be prepared for the things I would run into at college. At the time I never looked closely into his sources. I trusted that he was presenting us with accurate information. I don't remember seeing these specific sites, but similar information presented in a different way. Now, it's wild to look back at it and realize how much I've changed. I appreciate all the research you've put into this. I never realized how deep the conspiracy thinking runs in the PRC.
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Post by prnolonger on Jul 12, 2021 20:41:29 GMT
I took Mr. Kalsbeek's World Views class at Covenant. It was recommended to me by several other Covenant teachers as almost necessary, if I wanted to be prepared for the things I would run into at college. At the time I never looked closely into his sources. I trusted that he was presenting us with accurate information. I don't remember seeing these specific sites, but similar information presented in a different way. Now, it's wild to look back at it and realize how much I've changed. I appreciate all the research you've put into this. I never realized how deep the conspiracy thinking runs in the PRC. "Sure CCHS is full of lunatics teaching that secret Jewish cabals run the world and sure the school might be complicit in covering up sex scandals for the grooming of minors by male leadership, but I'm just so glad we are blessed with such wonderful schools to teach our Reformed Christian heritage!" Some of us see through it. It's not nearly enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 22:33:53 GMT
I took Mr. Kalsbeek's World Views class at Covenant. It was recommended to me by several other Covenant teachers as almost necessary, if I wanted to be prepared for the things I would run into at college. At the time I never looked closely into his sources. I trusted that he was presenting us with accurate information. I don't remember seeing these specific sites, but similar information presented in a different way. Now, it's wild to look back at it and realize how much I've changed. I appreciate all the research you've put into this. I never realized how deep the conspiracy thinking runs in the PRC. "Sure CCHS is full of lunatics teaching that secret Jewish cabals run the world and sure the school might be complicit in covering up sex scandals for the grooming of minors by male leadership, but I'm just so glad we are blessed with such wonderful schools to teach our Reformed Christian heritage!" Some of us see through it. It's not nearly enough. Could you DM me some names of male leaders who have been involved? I have suspicions, but have never told anyone names. I also have two siblings who still attend the school.
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Post by Paschal Rooster on Aug 27, 2021 0:29:06 GMT
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Post by tetra on Aug 27, 2021 1:49:50 GMT
This brings back memories. Particularly this part: "Tolerance means that one person never expresses a judgment about someone else’s ideas, beliefs, and values from a worldview of absolute truth. Tolerance demands that you not only accept the other worldview but that you value their worldview—unless, of course, their worldview is Biblical Christianity. Tolerance is very intolerant of Bible-minded Christians." I remember Kalsbeek going on about how "tolerant" people would be intolerant of our Christian worldview at college. With the idea that liberal people who claimed to be tolerant were hypocritical. Then I went to college and not a single person was intolerant towards my beliefs. A better discussion topic about tolerance would have included, for example, the paradox of tolerance, the idea that it's necessary to be intolerant of intolerance. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance. That doesn't feed into the persecution complex, though.
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Post by pemptyr on Aug 27, 2021 2:02:48 GMT
Are you talking about cal kalsbeek? What classes did he say this in, I don't remember him saying stuff like that
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Post by tetra on Aug 27, 2021 11:15:58 GMT
Are you talking about cal kalsbeek? What classes did he say this in, I don't remember him saying stuff like that Yes, his Worldviews class
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