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Post by blessed2be on Oct 12, 2022 18:21:13 GMT
I was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease when things were really bad for me. Oddly enough, after I moved/left PR I never had symptoms again. Yes, maybe wrongfully diagnosed but it all definitely played a part on my health. I believe there is a segment in The Body Keeps The Score which references that people with PTSD and similar diagnoses have higher incidences of autoimmune disease. I didn't realize what was going on when it was going on. I hope others see it more quickly than I did. I thought I was simply not good enough. Even the "pastor" there made that clear to me- that I wasn't good enough, forgiving enough, gave enough. When I got sick and lost nearly ever extra pound I had, he told my parents "it's good to lose weight." So much more too. Well, my eyes are open now.
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Post by profit on Oct 12, 2022 21:28:54 GMT
I believe there is a segment in The Body Keeps The Score which references that people with PTSD and similar diagnoses have higher incidences of autoimmune disease. I didn't realize what was going on when it was going on. I hope others see it more quickly than I did. I thought I was simply not good enough. Even the "pastor" there made that clear to me- that I wasn't good enough, forgiving enough, gave enough. When I got sick and lost nearly ever extra pound I had, he told my parents "it's good to lose weight." So much more too. Well, my eyes are open now. Wow. So sorry you had to live through that. How sad.
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Post by I once was “l” but now I’m L on Oct 12, 2022 21:41:31 GMT
I believe there is a segment in The Body Keeps The Score which references that people with PTSD and similar diagnoses have higher incidences of autoimmune disease. I didn't realize what was going on when it was going on. I hope others see it more quickly than I did. I thought I was simply not good enough. Even the "pastor" there made that clear to me- that I wasn't good enough, forgiving enough, gave enough. When I got sick and lost nearly ever extra pound I had, he told my parents "it's good to lose weight." So much more too. Well, my eyes are open now. So so sorry! It’s so upsetting these people think they can get away with saying whatever they want and hurting so many people.
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Post by blessed2be on Oct 12, 2022 22:18:14 GMT
It's ok. Now hopefully I can help others.
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Post by flyingfree on Oct 12, 2022 22:21:02 GMT
Still can’t believe the scary resemblance of this Holdeman group. It starts out by stating they look normal to the local community.
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Post by Feminist on Oct 12, 2022 23:55:06 GMT
PR thinks to themself: We’re nothing like them! Their theology is wrong (and kind of wacky). We don’t tell people what cars they can drive or how they must cut their hair. Also, we would never take a wife away from her husband.
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Post by Feminist on Oct 12, 2022 23:56:27 GMT
PR thinks to themself: We’re nothing like them! Their theology is wrong (and kind of wacky). We don’t tell people what cars they can drive or how they must cut their hair. Also, we would never take a wife away from her husband. ExPR: big sigh
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Post by Feminist on Oct 13, 2022 0:03:09 GMT
But honestly, sounds like they went from the frying pan to…another frying pan at a lower heat.
“Our motive is love, and the truth is the truth. And we need to love the truth above all other things…so as to be saved, otherwise those that don’t love the truth are setting themselves up for further deception.”
Translation: Don’t love my better version of “the truth”? Still going to hell.
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Post by xprcanon on Oct 13, 2022 0:52:19 GMT
Loosely quoted from the video: "I would get into this cycle of trying and giving up, and oddly enough I would have more fear and anxiety when I was trying which made me want to just give up even more. Even when I was just living, there was always this underlying guilt. I figured Jesus would have to come right after we had communion because otherwise I don't think there was any hope for me. I did not have the power to live victoriously."
Oof. That hits pretty close to home.
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Post by I'mexhaustedfromabuse on Oct 13, 2022 5:02:31 GMT
I was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease when things were really bad for me. Oddly enough, after I moved/left PR I never had symptoms again. Yes, maybe wrongfully diagnosed but it all definitely played a part on my health. I believe there is a segment in The Body Keeps The Score which references that people with PTSD and similar diagnoses have higher incidences of autoimmune disease. Yes. The amount of physical ailment increases significantly due to stress hormones depleting the body
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Post by Andatlastiseethelight on Oct 13, 2022 11:22:25 GMT
After watching the whole thing… I would not be surprised to see if PR’s would feel superior after watching something like that. There’s a superiority that happens with having the “perfect doctrine”, and “the perfect truth”. This group definitely did not have as complicated internal structure as the PRC, and using the reformed doctrine as a way to keep people in line.
There are elements of perfectionism that definitely run deep in DJE (you can hear that in his last communication) and in the entire church culture. So there’s no wonder why having those strict high standards would cause people to be depressed and feel very stuck.
I feel like the culture is definitely more nuanced in the PRC, not necessarily discussed, but definitely enforced. Depending on the church to take care of you… But making it incredibly hard for the church to actually take care of you without being incredibly judgmental … hashing over all your expenses like an open book….That kind of culture— The suit enforcement, forcing to wear dresses, forcing your kids to be at catechism (strict memorization) — Because learning the doctrines of the church is more important than learning who Christ is. It’s subtle —but it’s not when you’ve had space to see it from another point of view from outside.
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Post by healing on Oct 14, 2022 13:48:27 GMT
After watching the whole thing… I would not be surprised to see if PR’s would feel superior after watching something like that. There’s a superiority that happens with having the “perfect doctrine”, and “the perfect truth”. This group definitely did not have as complicated internal structure as the PRC, and using the reformed doctrine as a way to keep people in line. There are elements of perfectionism that definitely run deep in DJE (you can hear that in his last communication) and in the entire church culture. So there’s no wonder why having those strict high standards would cause people to be depressed and feel very stuck. I feel like the culture is definitely more nuanced in the PRC, not necessarily discussed, but definitely enforced. Depending on the church to take care of you… But making it incredibly hard for the church to actually take care of you without being incredibly judgmental … hashing over all your expenses like an open book….That kind of culture— The suit enforcement, forcing to wear dresses, forcing your kids to be at catechism (strict memorization) — Because learning the doctrines of the church is more important than learning who Christ is. It’s subtle —but it’s not when you’ve had space to see it from another point of view from outside. Yeah I would agree with this. The prc is a bit more subtle which makes them all the more dangerous. The control tactics aren’t *quite the same (at least maybe the subject matter e.g. head coverings etc) but the whole idea of wanting to be approved of and wanting to avoid hell was something I could relate to. I watched this whole video in full last night and was so touched by how these people were searching for the real Jesus. (I can really relate!). It is so confusing to have Jesus tangled up in a church system of pleasing people, fitting in, following the rules. What a heavy burden that is…I really believe this is who Jesus is talking to in Matt 11:28! (His yoke is easy. It is not the PRC and make sure you are attached to Him, not an institution!) The terror over hell that one of the guys talked about. That really made me sad and I also undersood. And he is right. If you have to be 100% correct in every point of doctrine, that’s a scary proposition!! What it you got something wrong?!!! The fear is so strong and that’s why it is so effective! I wish I had been taught about the ways humans manipulate one another…the tactics are so common. As evidenced by all the parallels between this group and the PRC. Most prc who stay in line will never truly see the hold or power that their fear has on them. They think they have freedom in Christ but don’t see how much of their comfort is bound to being viewed as and “true” Christian who is saved by belonging to the “only true” church. Anyone who says they alone hold “the truth” and the “safety” for salvation is a liar. That belongs to God alone! Let’s break those chains. Let’s follow scripture alone. Not what the standard bearer or Belgic confessions say. Not what our pastor or elder says. (They are humans. YOU have the Holy Spirit, just as they do if you are a believer. You are EQUAL in Gods eyes!!!) Let’s understand the context and the meaning of verses so that we can recognize when someone is cherry picking verses to weaponize them and manipulate / control. This is a spiritual battle and we need to FIGHT! I so long for the people of the PRC to open their eyes! I long for my family still there. And I think of those of us who have made it out and continue to fight the spiritual battles every day as we carry our own wounded views of God into our lives. I often feel so behind, so lacking in my faith foundation sometimes. It was nothing like the God of scripture! It is so hard to fully receive Gods love when I was told I was outside of Gods love. Just because I left the PRC for another reformed church. The words that were spoken to me hold no truth but they need to be dismantled daily in my heart. God, please heal us!! 😢
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Post by Andatlastiseethelight on Oct 17, 2022 1:01:10 GMT
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Post by flyingfree on Oct 23, 2022 19:29:23 GMT
This Holderman video is worth watching see previous page.
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Post by HijackedAssurance on Oct 29, 2022 20:13:19 GMT
A non-PR friend of mine shared this Holdeman video with me a few months back, telling me he thought I would relate to some of the testimonies in it. It blew my mind how much I could relate to what these people went through and how much it reminded me of what I got out of... took me 45 minutes to watch the first like 13 minutes...
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