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Post by cannalily on Nov 15, 2015 14:30:38 GMT
Based on all of the things that happened recently in Paris, I'm wondering if the PRC would be so bold as to say that God is using ISIS to purge the French of their wickedness as well.
Any comments from the PRC side?
And sure, I'm sure the PRC would say that God controls ISIS too, but do you think God used ISIS to do his purging dirty work too - you know like Sandy the superstorm?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 11:35:42 GMT
I think that everyone's perception of this incident would be somewhat similar? Or maybe I've just been gone so long I don't realize.... I know personally I begin to think about/check Revelation and be mindful of end times type things. As for the PR mindset - would it be much different? The only difference I can think of there was most likely no PR's in Paris??
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 18:21:09 GMT
My question is: Do we, the USA, take in the Syrian refugees?
There are multiple examples in The Bible calling for compassionate treatment of "refugees", or the stranger in your country.
Do these examples hold true for the USA? Should they?
I am confused by some of the very conservative figures who are calling for the USA to turn away these people. I wonder if this is a result of their fear, actually I'm pretty sure it is because of fear, yet on so many other issues they pound their bibles without apprehension. However, not in this case. In this case the safety of the country is paramount and the Bible's teachings seem secondary. I have a hard time determining where their Christianity lies.
On the other hand, now we have the liberal figures pounding their bibles calling for justice and compassion for the refugees, but there are many issues where they remain silent, and I have a hard time determining where their Christianity lies.
Did I mention I was confused?
It seems to me that there are many conservative Christians who claim we are a "Christian" nation, and have no problem shoving their "thou shalt not(s) down our throats through government action, but when it comes time for the "thou shall(s)"...they want to leave government out of it, it is not their role. They now favor the secular government approach. God bless Ronald Reagan.
Conversely, there are many others who claim we have a secular government (which we do) and have no problem putting aside or ignoring the "thou shalt not(s) and think this is not the governments role, but when it comes time for the "thou shall(s), they have no problem utilizing government and berating those who think differently, often times using The Bible. God bless Barack Obama.
I am confused.
Personally, I am torn between the governments clear responsibility of maintaining the safety of its citizens and what seems to be a pretty clear teaching of the Bible. [NOTE: I typically don't like using the word "clear" in regards to Bible reading because too many times what was past clear to me has taken on a completely different clarity.] Do we want our government to act in a Christ like manner, or in a secular way? Do we want our government to act in a Christ like manner only when it pertains to the "thou shalt not(s)" but not the "thou shall(s)"? I sense hypocrisy on the Syrian refugee crisis in so much of what I hear and read, even in my own train of thought, and I wonder where my Christianity should lie. The pictures of the refugees are poignantly heartbreaking, but so are the pictures from Paris, Lebanon, and other violence stricken locations. My confusion is causing some angst.
What say you?
What would a typical pr position be on this matter?
“Fear is such a powerful emotion for humans that when we allow it to take us over, it drives compassion right out of our hearts.” - Thomas Aquinas
"Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." - Ronald Reagan
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 18:56:43 GMT
My question is: Do we, the USA, take in the Syrian refugees? There are multiple examples in The Bible calling for compassionate treatment of "refugees", or the stranger in your country. Do these examples hold true for the USA? Should they? I am confused by some of the very conservative figures who are calling for the USA to turn away these people. I wonder if this is a result of their fear, actually I'm pretty sure it is because of fear, yet on so many other issues they pound their bibles without apprehension. However, not in this case. In this case the safety of the country is paramount and the Bible's teachings seem secondary. I have a hard time determining where their Christianity lies. On the other hand, now we have the liberal figures pounding their bibles calling for justice and compassion for the refugees, but there are many issues where they remain silent, and I have a hard time determining where their Christianity lies. Did I mention I was confused? It seems to me that there are many conservative Christians who claim we are a "Christian" nation, and have no problem shoving their "thou shalt not(s) down our throats through government action, but when it comes time for the "thou shall(s)"...they want to leave government out of it, it is not their role. They now favor the secular government approach. God bless Ronald Reagan. Conversely, there are many others who claim we have a secular government (which we do) and have no problem putting aside or ignoring the "thou shalt not(s) and think this is not the governments role, but when it comes time for the "thou shall(s), they have no problem utilizing government and berating those who think differently, often times using The Bible. God bless Barack Obama. I am confused. Personally, I am torn between the governments clear responsibility of maintaining the safety of its citizens and what seems to be a pretty clear teaching of the Bible. [NOTE: I typically don't like using the word "clear" in regards to Bible reading because too many times what was past clear to me has taken on a completely different clarity.] Do we want our government to act in a Christ like manner, or in a secular way? Do we want our government to act in a Christ like manner only when it pertains to the "thou shalt not(s)" but not the "thou shall(s)"? I sense hypocrisy on the Syrian refugee crisis in so much of what I hear and read, even in my own train of thought, and I wonder where my Christianity should lie. The pictures of the refugees are poignantly heartbreaking, but so are the pictures from Paris, Lebanon, and other violence stricken locations. My confusion is causing some angst. What say you? What would a typical pr position be on this matter? “Fear is such a powerful emotion for humans that when we allow it to take us over, it drives compassion right out of our hearts.” - Thomas Aquinas"Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." - Ronald Reagan
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Post by Sophia M. on Nov 23, 2015 1:19:00 GMT
I understand that God satisfied, squished, and mortally ended the need for wrathful retribution through the death of His Son Jesus. What we see in this crazy weather is end of times stuff... and evil terrorism is a warring mindset against God whose wrath has been satisfied through Jesus.. I celebrate the stunning truth that the price has been paid...no more wrath or retribution is from God. I see... Yes, evil is at war with such a God of Grace who would so love the entire world that He'd come towards us and reach towards humanity, making contact with us as He did through Jesus and continues now through those who are His hands and feet and so on...When He humbled Himself and became one of us as human and when His Son did...all wrath and retribution for sins consequences was paid. Hard to fathom such love yes, but however...it is what I believe.... The wrath you see...the earthquakes..the nations against nations and the wars...is only birthpangs of the end. A New Day is dawning...let us love one another all...and live in hope and consider how to encourage one another as we see the day approaching. My teen catechism classes taught me some big theology words and one of them was "propitiation." Olly gets this concept and articulates it very well in entry above. If God still regarded anyone in cosmos with currently activated wrath, Jesus would not have come alive from the dead when he did. The wrath of God is satisfied! All events now are subject to interpretation based on the good news announced by the resurrection event. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 14:43:50 GMT
I understand that God satisfied, squished, and mortally ended the need for wrathful retribution through the death of His Son Jesus. What we see in this crazy weather is end of times stuff... and evil terrorism is a warring mindset against God whose wrath has been satisfied through Jesus.. I celebrate the stunning truth that the price has been paid...no more wrath or retribution is from God. I see... Yes, evil is at war with such a God of Grace who would so love the entire world that He'd come towards us and reach towards humanity, making contact with us as He did through Jesus and continues now through those who are His hands and feet and so on...When He humbled Himself and became one of us as human and when His Son did...all wrath and retribution for sins consequences was paid. Hard to fathom such love yes, but however...it is what I believe.... The wrath you see...the earthquakes..the nations against nations and the wars...is only birthpangs of the end. A New Day is dawning...let us love one another all...and live in hope and consider how to encourage one another as we see the day approaching. My teen catechism classes taught me some big theology words and one of them was "propitiation." Olly gets this concept and articulates it very well in entry above. If God still regarded anyone in cosmos with currently activated wrath, Jesus would not have come alive from the dead when he did. The wrath of God is satisfied! All events now are subject to interpretation based on the good news announced by the resurrection event. Olly does articulate it well. I've always been a little uncomfortable with the word, propitiation. In this case meaning child sacrifice. Only through the resurrection can I even contemplate the word. |
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Post by Feminist on Dec 4, 2015 2:40:32 GMT
My question is: Do we, the USA, take in the Syrian refugees? There are multiple examples in The Bible calling for compassionate treatment of "refugees", or the stranger in your country. Do these examples hold true for the USA? Should they? I am confused by some of the very conservative figures who are calling for the USA to turn away these people. I wonder if this is a result of their fear, actually I'm pretty sure it is because of fear, yet on so many other issues they pound their bibles without apprehension. However, not in this case. In this case the safety of the country is paramount and the Bible's teachings seem secondary. I have a hard time determining where their Christianity lies. On the other hand, now we have the liberal figures pounding their bibles calling for justice and compassion for the refugees, but there are many issues where they remain silent, and I have a hard time determining where their Christianity lies. Did I mention I was confused? It seems to me that there are many conservative Christians who claim we are a "Christian" nation, and have no problem shoving their "thou shalt not(s) down our throats through government action, but when it comes time for the "thou shall(s)"...they want to leave government out of it, it is not their role. They now favor the secular government approach. God bless Ronald Reagan. Conversely, there are many others who claim we have a secular government (which we do) and have no problem putting aside or ignoring the "thou shalt not(s) and think this is not the governments role, but when it comes time for the "thou shall(s), they have no problem utilizing government and berating those who think differently, often times using The Bible. God bless Barack Obama. I am confused. Personally, I am torn between the governments clear responsibility of maintaining the safety of its citizens and what seems to be a pretty clear teaching of the Bible. [NOTE: I typically don't like using the word "clear" in regards to Bible reading because too many times what was past clear to me has taken on a completely different clarity.] Do we want our government to act in a Christ like manner, or in a secular way? Do we want our government to act in a Christ like manner only when it pertains to the "thou shalt not(s)" but not the "thou shall(s)"? I sense hypocrisy on the Syrian refugee crisis in so much of what I hear and read, even in my own train of thought, and I wonder where my Christianity should lie. The pictures of the refugees are poignantly heartbreaking, but so are the pictures from Paris, Lebanon, and other violence stricken locations. My confusion is causing some angst. What say you? What would a typical pr position be on this matter? “Fear is such a powerful emotion for humans that when we allow it to take us over, it drives compassion right out of our hearts.” - Thomas Aquinas"Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." - Ronald Reagan
I think this is a matter of what we as a people want government to do, and government is not really called to act like Christ. Ha, I laugh at my own first sentence...like government does what we the people want...hahaha. Yes, that was my conservative side coming out  . And maybe it does do what the majority of people want - maybe it does what it does and tells them that's what they want (my personal "culture wars" belief). By the by, fun podcast "Unfilter" if you want supposedly unbiased media. Ok, back to the point. As you probably well learned in the PRC of A, the US of A is not a theocracy . I don't think the government is intended to perform acts of mercy as Christ would. BUT that doesn't mean it can't do good things for other countries and foreign nationals, and I'm personally very glad that we are taking in refugees. I believe they are vetted pretty well. You can't know the heart of every person. But you can certainly try to vett people. Think of all the paperwork it takes to do anything with the government. I'm sure they've done their due diligence. But (and here's my midwestern small government attitude shining through) what I think we as a society often forget is that we shouldn't expect the government to do all God's acts of mercy for the people. Now that they've allowed the refugees, why don't the churches and other community organizations take up the responsibility of caring for them? Actually, I think many are. Bethany Christian has a great refugee program. Excuse the rambling...it's getting close to bedtime... |
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Post by Feminist on Dec 4, 2015 2:41:25 GMT
My question is: Do we, the USA, take in the Syrian refugees? There are multiple examples in The Bible calling for compassionate treatment of "refugees", or the stranger in your country. Do these examples hold true for the USA? Should they? I am confused by some of the very conservative figures who are calling for the USA to turn away these people. I wonder if this is a result of their fear, actually I'm pretty sure it is because of fear, yet on so many other issues they pound their bibles without apprehension. However, not in this case. In this case the safety of the country is paramount and the Bible's teachings seem secondary. I have a hard time determining where their Christianity lies. On the other hand, now we have the liberal figures pounding their bibles calling for justice and compassion for the refugees, but there are many issues where they remain silent, and I have a hard time determining where their Christianity lies. Did I mention I was confused? It seems to me that there are many conservative Christians who claim we are a "Christian" nation, and have no problem shoving their "thou shalt not(s) down our throats through government action, but when it comes time for the "thou shall(s)"...they want to leave government out of it, it is not their role. They now favor the secular government approach. God bless Ronald Reagan. Conversely, there are many others who claim we have a secular government (which we do) and have no problem putting aside or ignoring the "thou shalt not(s) and think this is not the governments role, but when it comes time for the "thou shall(s), they have no problem utilizing government and berating those who think differently, often times using The Bible. God bless Barack Obama. I am confused. Personally, I am torn between the governments clear responsibility of maintaining the safety of its citizens and what seems to be a pretty clear teaching of the Bible. [NOTE: I typically don't like using the word "clear" in regards to Bible reading because too many times what was past clear to me has taken on a completely different clarity.] Do we want our government to act in a Christ like manner, or in a secular way? Do we want our government to act in a Christ like manner only when it pertains to the "thou shalt not(s)" but not the "thou shall(s)"? I sense hypocrisy on the Syrian refugee crisis in so much of what I hear and read, even in my own train of thought, and I wonder where my Christianity should lie. The pictures of the refugees are poignantly heartbreaking, but so are the pictures from Paris, Lebanon, and other violence stricken locations. My confusion is causing some angst. What say you? What would a typical pr position be on this matter? “Fear is such a powerful emotion for humans that when we allow it to take us over, it drives compassion right out of our hearts.” - Thomas Aquinas"Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." - Ronald Reagan
I think this is a matter of what we as a people want government to do, and government is not really called to act like Christ. Ha, I laugh at my own first sentence...like government does what we the people want...hahaha. Yes, that was my conservative side coming out . And maybe it does do what the majority of people want - maybe it does what it does and tells them that's what they want (my personal "culture wars" belief). By the by, fun podcast "Unfilter" if you want supposedly unbiased media. Ok, back to the point. As you probably well learned in the PRC of A, the US of A is not a theocracy . I don't think the government is intended to perform acts of mercy as Christ would. BUT that doesn't mean it can't do good things for other countries and foreign nationals, and I'm personally very glad that we are taking in refugees. I believe they are vetted pretty well. You can't know the heart of every person. But you can certainly try to vett people. Think of all the paperwork it takes to do anything with the government. I'm sure they've done their due diligence. But (and here's my midwestern small government attitude shining through) what I think we as a society often forget is that we shouldn't expect the government to do all God's acts of mercy for the people. Now that they've allowed the refugees, why don't the churches and other community organizations take up the responsibility of caring for them? Actually, I think many are. Bethany Christian has a great refugee program. Excuse the rambling...it's getting close to bedtime... Oh man, I did it again! Obviously too stupid to use the "quote" button properly... My comments being with "I think this is a matter of what we as a people..." |
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. And maybe it does do what the majority of people want - maybe it does what it does and tells them that's what they want (my personal "culture wars" belief). By the by, fun podcast "Unfilter" if you want supposedly unbiased media. Ok, back to the point. As you probably well learned in the PRC of A, the US of A is not a theocracy