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Post by francefr on Nov 30, 2022 20:05:42 GMT
This Navigation Post serves as the centralized place to access the catalogued information regarding instances related to abuse in the PRC. While this Navigation Post is in the Narthex forum where anyone without an account can see it, the posts themselves will be posted in the Sanctuary forum which requires an account to access. This way, the people with access to viewing the Bullet Points posts also have the ability to respond so that updates, clarifications, additions, or redactions can be made as necessary to each post in an ongoing fashion as more information becomes available. As you may imagine, I'm very happy for this section.
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Post by Hw on Dec 7, 2022 12:27:42 GMT
Here it is, Wednesday morning at 7:25 and I'm on my 2nd cup of coffee as I'm glued to this thread waiting for the next post featuring a named abuser to drop. I need some breakfast soon!! Lol.
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Post by Sophia M. on Dec 7, 2022 13:16:25 GMT
This Navigation Post serves as the centralized place to access the catalogued information regarding instances related to abuse in the PRC. While this Navigation Post is in the Narthex forum where anyone without an account can see it, the posts themselves will be posted in the Sanctuary forum which requires an account to access. This way, the people with access to viewing the Bullet Points posts also have the ability to respond so that updates, clarifications, additions, or redactions can be made as necessary to each post in an ongoing fashion as more information becomes available. As you may imagine, I'm very happy for this section. I have mixed feelings about this section. I believe the best value of the forum for so many over the years is exchanging relief from isolation and showing up for unique kinds of community and support through sharing sad or painful feelings about our own experiences of being pr, then not being pr. I think sharing anonymous stories and affirming each other in talking with each other is enough to draw in the people who are starving for this and significantly impact their recognition of what is off kilter, and enlarge their choice possibilities for their own future. This path is more directed at current prs, as if they are the centered audience rather than exprs. I like that this section is an organized way of compiling related stories to uncover common hotspots of major maltreatment, since uncovering brings relief. And I realize that suicides could happen when rascals feel trapped, but suicides also happen when victims are suffocating due to isolation in their suffering over the coveredup stories. I have mixed feelings. Some of the worst hotspots of dangerous people in this denomination were also once children who may have received the worst. I hope the tone and purpose of this campaign is all about interrupting the silent but deadly transmission of spiritual, sexual, and physical abuse to the next generation. I hope it is about ushering in relief through providing long coveredup info to isolated people who believe they are the only victim, rather than about building out a unique cohort of extra bad evildoers. I believe that each name that might come is both a valuable and beloved human, as well as a person who needs our collective rebuke in order for them to change course, to experience stricter limits on their influence and stewardship over the well-being of others, and to start their own work of intense restoration into healthy social connection. If they are still alive, that is. "There is no perfect survivor forum." Ironically, this might become a mantra of evasion here even while we mock the evasive strategy of "there is no perfect church" rhetoric. As this forum develops a social power of its own and takes a posture more of confronting current prs than of reassuring unhappy and ex prs, we might discover that this tool gets misused by some who are more about the strategy of retaliation than about relief. I hope any destructive moves or motives that might be hovering in this apocalypse are nipped in the bud. I will not like to see people who get named here lose all personal value and become marked as monsters or demons. I will be glad to see these people, if still alive and enacting or covering up harm or evading consequences, are firmly and lovingly prevented from unrestrained continuation of practicing their habits of treating others in deadly ways.
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Post by Hw on Dec 7, 2022 13:31:12 GMT
As you may imagine, I'm very happy for this section. I have mixed feelings about this section. I believe the best value of the forum for so many over the years is exchanging relief from isolation and showing up for unique kinds of community and support through sharing sad or painful feelings about our own experiences of being pr, then not being pr. I think sharing anonymous stories and affirming each other in talking with each other is enough to draw in the people who are starving for this and significantly impact their recognition of what is off kilter, and enlarge their choice possibilities for their own future. This path is more directed at current prs, as if they are the centered audience rather than exprs. I like that this section is an organized way of compiling related stories to uncover common hotspots of major maltreatment, and uncovering brings relief. And I realize that suicides could happen when rascals feel trapped, but suicides also happen when victims are suffocating due to isolation in their suffering over the coveredup stories. I have mixed feelings. Some of the worst hotspots of dangerous people in this denomination were also once children who may have received the worst. I hope the tone and purpose of this campaign is all about interrupting the silent but deadly transmission of spiritual, sexual, and physical abuse to the next generation. I hope it is about ushering in relief through providing long covered info to isolated people who believe they are the only victim, more that than about building out a unique cohort of extra bad evildoers. I believe that each name that might come is both a valuable and beloved human, as well as a person who needs our collective rebuke in order for them to change course, to experience stricter limits on their influence and stewardship over the well-being of others, and to start their own work of intense restoration into healthy social connection. If they are still alive, that is. "There is no perfect survivor forum." Ironically, this might become a mantra of evasion here even while we mock the evasive strategy of "there is no perfect church" rhetoric. As this forum develops a social power of its own and takes a posture more of confronting current prs than of reassuring unhappy and ex prs, we might discover that this tool gets misused by some who are more about the strategy of retaliation than about relief. I hope any destructive moves or motives that might be hovering in this apocalypse are nipped in the bud. I will not like to see people who get named here lose all personal value and become marked as monsters or demons. I will be glad to see these people, if still alive and enacting or covering up harm or evading consequences, are firmly and lovingly prevented from unrestrained continuation of practicing their habits of treating others in deadly ways. I survived the vile talk about me and i was the wronged party! I was the abused. I was suffering and this denomination chose to absolutely rip me to shreds. These abusers will survive being talked about. Many survivors had to get through it when they didnt deserve it. I have no mixed feelings when it comes to those who abuse and are hidden in the safety of the PRCA/RPCA who hide and cover theor sins while allowing the victim to suffer. Any fallout is the fault of the one who abused!! They are the ones to solely blame from any fallout from this forum. Those abusers "created" us when they chose us as their victims. Interesting post for many reasons. But silence is not acceptable any longer. Anonymity helps nothing change. I realize its "comfortable" being anonymous. Comfortable doesnt change anything! Maybe if abusers KNEW they would pay a price, they would keep their hands and words off us!!! Until now, they have known its safe to be an abuser in these churches and that is DISGUSTING! That denomination and DJE knows how to end this. They simply need to acknowledge the forum, their victims, and to allow eagerly a 3rd party investigation. The time of anonymous quietness is coming to an end. It solved nothing!
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Post by Admin on Dec 7, 2022 13:40:47 GMT
Hi Heidi, you have a PM.
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Post by prnolonger on Dec 7, 2022 13:52:05 GMT
As you may imagine, I'm very happy for this section. I have mixed feelings about this section. I believe the best value of the forum for so many over the years is exchanging relief from isolation and showing up for unique kinds of community and support through sharing sad or painful feelings about our own experiences of being pr, then not being pr. I think sharing anonymous stories and affirming each other in talking with each other is enough to draw in the people who are starving for this and significantly impact their recognition of what is off kilter, and enlarge their choice possibilities for their own future. This path is more directed at current prs, as if they are the centered audience rather than exprs. I like that this section is an organized way of compiling related stories to uncover common hotspots of major maltreatment, and uncovering brings relief. And I realize that suicides could happen when rascals feel trapped, but suicides also happen when victims are suffocating due to isolation in their suffering over the coveredup stories. I have mixed feelings. Some of the worst hotspots of dangerous people in this denomination were also once children who may have received the worst. I hope the tone and purpose of this campaign is all about interrupting the silent but deadly transmission of spiritual, sexual, and physical abuse to the next generation. I hope it is about ushering in relief through providing long covered info to isolated people who believe they are the only victim, more that than about building out a unique cohort of extra bad evildoers. I believe that each name that might come is both a valuable and beloved human, as well as a person who needs our collective rebuke in order for them to change course, to experience stricter limits on their influence and stewardship over the well-being of others, and to start their own work of intense restoration into healthy social connection. If they are still alive, that is. "There is no perfect survivor forum." Ironically, this might become a mantra of evasion here even while we mock the evasive strategy of "there is no perfect church" rhetoric. As this forum develops a social power of its own and takes a posture more of confronting current prs than of reassuring unhappy and ex prs, we might discover that this tool gets misused by some who are more about the strategy of retaliation than about relief. I hope any destructive moves or motives that might be hovering in this apocalypse are nipped in the bud. I will not like to see people who get named here lose all personal value and become marked as monsters or demons. I will be glad to see these people, if still alive and enacting or covering up harm or evading consequences, are firmly and lovingly prevented from unrestrained continuation of practicing their habits of treating others in deadly ways. I affirm this point of view. Relief, not retaliation. The Bullet Points list isn't an exercise done gleefully to find fault in the organization that did so many of us wrong. Rather, this is an exercise of last resort. We want a trusted third party to do this, not us. The goal is to empower people to come forwards, prevent the PRC from hiding things, and put pressure on the PRC to get something done to rectify the situation. Justice for survivors. Protection for the vulnerable. An end to the practices of the PRC that make it a feeding ground for predators, thus preventing more victims. Our goal is not to burn the PRC to ashes. Our goal is not to protect the PRC and ensure it survives. The fact is the question of "What happens to the PRC if this comes out" has protected the abusers and the practices that enable abusers for too long. We know there are good people in the PRC. These posts are aimed at them to have the knowledge necessary to match our external pressure with internal pressure. For the good PR's coming here to read these, that's what you need to know. We need your help. The third party investigation won't happen without you. Relief, not retaliation.
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Post by Hw on Dec 7, 2022 14:04:06 GMT
I have mixed feelings about this section. I believe the best value of the forum for so many over the years is exchanging relief from isolation and showing up for unique kinds of community and support through sharing sad or painful feelings about our own experiences of being pr, then not being pr. I think sharing anonymous stories and affirming each other in talking with each other is enough to draw in the people who are starving for this and significantly impact their recognition of what is off kilter, and enlarge their choice possibilities for their own future. This path is more directed at current prs, as if they are the centered audience rather than exprs. I like that this section is an organized way of compiling related stories to uncover common hotspots of major maltreatment, and uncovering brings relief. And I realize that suicides could happen when rascals feel trapped, but suicides also happen when victims are suffocating due to isolation in their suffering over the coveredup stories. I have mixed feelings. Some of the worst hotspots of dangerous people in this denomination were also once children who may have received the worst. I hope the tone and purpose of this campaign is all about interrupting the silent but deadly transmission of spiritual, sexual, and physical abuse to the next generation. I hope it is about ushering in relief through providing long covered info to isolated people who believe they are the only victim, more that than about building out a unique cohort of extra bad evildoers. I believe that each name that might come is both a valuable and beloved human, as well as a person who needs our collective rebuke in order for them to change course, to experience stricter limits on their influence and stewardship over the well-being of others, and to start their own work of intense restoration into healthy social connection. If they are still alive, that is. "There is no perfect survivor forum." Ironically, this might become a mantra of evasion here even while we mock the evasive strategy of "there is no perfect church" rhetoric. As this forum develops a social power of its own and takes a posture more of confronting current prs than of reassuring unhappy and ex prs, we might discover that this tool gets misused by some who are more about the strategy of retaliation than about relief. I hope any destructive moves or motives that might be hovering in this apocalypse are nipped in the bud. I will not like to see people who get named here lose all personal value and become marked as monsters or demons. I will be glad to see these people, if still alive and enacting or covering up harm or evading consequences, are firmly and lovingly prevented from unrestrained continuation of practicing their habits of treating others in deadly ways. I affirm this point of view. Relief, not retaliation. The Bullet Points list isn't an exercise done gleefully to find fault in the organization that did so many of us wrong. Rather, this is an exercise of last resort. We want a trusted third party to do this, not us. The goal is to empower people to come forwards, prevent the PRC from hiding things, and put pressure on the PRC to get something done to rectify the situation. Justice for survivors. Protection for the vulnerable. An end to the practices of the PRC that make it a feeding ground for predators, thus preventing more victims. Our goal is not to burn the PRC to ashes. Our goal is not to protect the PRC and ensure it survives. The fact is the question of "What happens to the PRC if this comes out" has protected the abusers and the practices that enable abusers for too long. We know there are good people in the PRC. These posts are aimed at them to have the knowledge necessary to match our external pressure with internal pressure. For the good PR's coming here to read these, that's what you need to know. We need your help. The third party investigation won't happen without you. Relief, not retaliation. Thank you for saying things better than i do at times. Its a tough line to walk at times between being here with the goal to help the hurting and still feeling the affects of being their victim. Those thoughts get away from me at times. Holidays make it harder to reign in at times because I cannot escape the loss ive experienced. Thank you for all you do prnolonger! I truly dont care if the church continues or implodes. My concern is with the humams who are affected by this every single day. Happy Wednesday.
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Post by Admin on Dec 7, 2022 14:34:32 GMT
This thread has been updated.
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Post by Sophia M. on Dec 7, 2022 14:49:44 GMT
I have mixed feelings about this section. I believe the best value of the forum for so many over the years is exchanging relief from isolation and showing up for unique kinds of community and support through sharing sad or painful feelings about our own experiences of being pr, then not being pr. I think sharing anonymous stories and affirming each other in talking with each other is enough to draw in the people who are starving for this and significantly impact their recognition of what is off kilter, and enlarge their choice possibilities for their own future. This path is more directed at current prs, as if they are the centered audience rather than exprs. I like that this section is an organized way of compiling related stories to uncover common hotspots of major maltreatment, and uncovering brings relief. And I realize that suicides could happen when rascals feel trapped, but suicides also happen when victims are suffocating due to isolation in their suffering over the coveredup stories. I have mixed feelings. Some of the worst hotspots of dangerous people in this denomination were also once children who may have received the worst. I hope the tone and purpose of this campaign is all about interrupting the silent but deadly transmission of spiritual, sexual, and physical abuse to the next generation. I hope it is about ushering in relief through providing long covered info to isolated people who believe they are the only victim, more that than about building out a unique cohort of extra bad evildoers. I believe that each name that might come is both a valuable and beloved human, as well as a person who needs our collective rebuke in order for them to change course, to experience stricter limits on their influence and stewardship over the well-being of others, and to start their own work of intense restoration into healthy social connection. If they are still alive, that is. "There is no perfect survivor forum." Ironically, this might become a mantra of evasion here even while we mock the evasive strategy of "there is no perfect church" rhetoric. As this forum develops a social power of its own and takes a posture more of confronting current prs than of reassuring unhappy and ex prs, we might discover that this tool gets misused by some who are more about the strategy of retaliation than about relief. I hope any destructive moves or motives that might be hovering in this apocalypse are nipped in the bud. I will not like to see people who get named here lose all personal value and become marked as monsters or demons. I will be glad to see these people, if still alive and enacting or covering up harm or evading consequences, are firmly and lovingly prevented from unrestrained continuation of practicing their habits of treating others in deadly ways. I survived the vile talk about me and i was the wronged party! I was the abused. I was suffering and this denomination chose to absolutely rip me to shreds. These abusers will survive being talked about. Many survivors had to get through it when they didnt deserve it. I have no mixed feelings when it comes to those who abuse and are hidden in the safety of the PRCA/RPCA who hide and cover theor sins while allowing the victim to suffer. Any fallout is the fault of the one who abused!! They are the ones to solely blame from any fallout from this forum. Those abusers "created" us when they chose us as their victims. Interesting post for many reasons. But silence is not acceptable any longer. Anonymity helps nothing change. I realize its "comfortable" being anonymous. Comfortable doesnt change anything! Maybe if abusers KNEW they would pay a price, they would keep their hands and words off us!!! Until now, they have known its safe to be an abuser in these churches and that is DISGUSTING! That denomination and DJE knows how to end this. They simply need to acknowledge the forum, their victims, and to allow eagerly a 3rd party investigation. The time of anonymous quietness is coming to an end. It solved nothing! Yep, you are accurate. Thanks for pushing the tension here of different feelings and outlooks that we hold while observing this section. Exactly right. You survived the talk about you. They will survive too, and they would unlikely ever ever ever lose a fraction of what you have lost and what other abuse survivors have lost. I do have a relative who had to leave his career for groping a student. It was an awful time for the few years, after his job loss, for him and his family, but the lives of everyone involved got better, further damage in that setting was reduced, and the perpetrator went on to thrive in many other ways after leaving that position of power. He and his family had a keener awareness for the awful consequences that many people will endure when just one man makes that choice even one time. Not the consequences of exposure, but the consequences of choosing to do some very consequential harm.
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Post by francefr on Dec 8, 2022 10:03:48 GMT
Someone wrote in a private PRCA facebook group:
"There's a lot of discussion whether the PRC should look for an independent third party investigation in regards to the recent abuse cases. What might we expect to learn and what would we do with the information gathered?"
Would you like me to post a reply on your behalf?
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Post by turtledoves on Dec 8, 2022 13:17:28 GMT
As you may imagine, I'm very happy for this section. I have mixed feelings about this section. I believe the best value of the forum for so many over the years is exchanging relief from isolation and showing up for unique kinds of community and support through sharing sad or painful feelings about our own experiences of being pr, then not being pr. I think sharing anonymous stories and affirming each other in talking with each other is enough to draw in the people who are starving for this and significantly impact their recognition of what is off kilter, and enlarge their choice possibilities for their own future. This path is more directed at current prs, as if they are the centered audience rather than exprs. I like that this section is an organized way of compiling related stories to uncover common hotspots of major maltreatment, since uncovering brings relief. And I realize that suicides could happen when rascals feel trapped, but suicides also happen when victims are suffocating due to isolation in their suffering over the coveredup stories. I have mixed feelings. Some of the worst hotspots of dangerous people in this denomination were also once children who may have received the worst. I hope the tone and purpose of this campaign is all about interrupting the silent but deadly transmission of spiritual, sexual, and physical abuse to the next generation. I hope it is about ushering in relief through providing long coveredup info to isolated people who believe they are the only victim, rather than about building out a unique cohort of extra bad evildoers. I believe that each name that might come is both a valuable and beloved human, as well as a person who needs our collective rebuke in order for them to change course, to experience stricter limits on their influence and stewardship over the well-being of others, and to start their own work of intense restoration into healthy social connection. If they are still alive, that is. "There is no perfect survivor forum." Ironically, this might become a mantra of evasion here even while we mock the evasive strategy of "there is no perfect church" rhetoric. As this forum develops a social power of its own and takes a posture more of confronting current prs than of reassuring unhappy and ex prs, we might discover that this tool gets misused by some who are more about the strategy of retaliation than about relief. I hope any destructive moves or motives that might be hovering in this apocalypse are nipped in the bud. I will not like to see people who get named here lose all personal value and become marked as monsters or demons. I will be glad to see these people, if still alive and enacting or covering up harm or evading consequences, are firmly and lovingly prevented from unrestrained continuation of practicing their habits of treating others in deadly ways. I have mixed feelings about this section. I believe the best value of the forum for so many over the years is exchanging relief from isolation and showing up for unique kinds of community and support through sharing sad or painful feelings about our own experiences of being pr, then not being pr. I think sharing anonymous stories and affirming each other in talking with each other is enough to draw in the people who are starving for this and significantly impact their recognition of what is off kilter, and enlarge their choice possibilities for their own future. This path is more directed at current prs, as if they are the centered audience rather than exprs. I like that this section is an organized way of compiling related stories to uncover common hotspots of major maltreatment, and uncovering brings relief. And I realize that suicides could happen when rascals feel trapped, but suicides also happen when victims are suffocating due to isolation in their suffering over the coveredup stories. I have mixed feelings. Some of the worst hotspots of dangerous people in this denomination were also once children who may have received the worst. I hope the tone and purpose of this campaign is all about interrupting the silent but deadly transmission of spiritual, sexual, and physical abuse to the next generation. I hope it is about ushering in relief through providing long covered info to isolated people who believe they are the only victim, more that than about building out a unique cohort of extra bad evildoers. I believe that each name that might come is both a valuable and beloved human, as well as a person who needs our collective rebuke in order for them to change course, to experience stricter limits on their influence and stewardship over the well-being of others, and to start their own work of intense restoration into healthy social connection. If they are still alive, that is. "There is no perfect survivor forum." Ironically, this might become a mantra of evasion here even while we mock the evasive strategy of "there is no perfect church" rhetoric. As this forum develops a social power of its own and takes a posture more of confronting current prs than of reassuring unhappy and ex prs, we might discover that this tool gets misused by some who are more about the strategy of retaliation than about relief. I hope any destructive moves or motives that might be hovering in this apocalypse are nipped in the bud. I will not like to see people who get named here lose all personal value and become marked as monsters or demons. I will be glad to see these people, if still alive and enacting or covering up harm or evading consequences, are firmly and lovingly prevented from unrestrained continuation of practicing their habits of treating others in deadly ways. I survived the vile talk about me and i was the wronged party! I was the abused. I was suffering and this denomination chose to absolutely rip me to shreds. These abusers will survive being talked about. Many survivors had to get through it when they didnt deserve it. I have no mixed feelings when it comes to those who abuse and are hidden in the safety of the PRCA/RPCA who hide and cover theor sins while allowing the victim to suffer. Any fallout is the fault of the one who abused!! They are the ones to solely blame from any fallout from this forum. Those abusers "created" us when they chose us as their victims. Interesting post for many reasons. But silence is not acceptable any longer. Anonymity helps nothing change. I realize its "comfortable" being anonymous. Comfortable doesnt change anything! Maybe if abusers KNEW they would pay a price, they would keep their hands and words off us!!! Until now, they have known its safe to be an abuser in these churches and that is DISGUSTING! That denomination and DJE knows how to end this. They simply need to acknowledge the forum, their victims, and to allow eagerly a 3rd party investigation. The time of anonymous quietness is coming to an end. It solved nothing!
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Post by prnolonger on Dec 8, 2022 13:49:10 GMT
Someone wrote in a private PRCA facebook group: "There's a lot of discussion whether the PRC should look for an independent third party investigation in regards to the recent abuse cases. What might we expect to learn and what would we do with the information gathered?" Would you like me to post a reply on your behalf? Always. We need as many champions as possible. Voices besides mine calling for it and in different avenues besides this forum. The sooner it's not just us here calling for one, explaining what it is and why it's necessary, the better. If you reply, don't do it as someone doing it on my behalf. Do it because it's something you also want. Don't join behind me, join next to me.
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Post by turtledoves on Dec 8, 2022 14:04:50 GMT
francefr - I appreciate this post. You said it well. Sharing stories about some of our deepest pain with a community that understands is healing in itself. I don't have to try to make this community understand, they already do. I have taken heaps of internal frustration off of my soul in doing so. In the process I have been able to tell the people who most need to hear it: the PRCA. This is where my sense of urgency comes in. I think it's why I've been unable to heal. Despite my strong words and accusations within these threads, I have a message for those who were my big church family for 40 years: I went to church with you, played on playgrounds with you, sang in unison the praises of our great God with you, I've worked along side of you in various church activities, I prayed for you when tragedy struck you or your families, I've prayed for your marriages and your children. I didn't wake up one day determined to take people down. People who are supposed to be leading you by example and taking the spiritual oversight of you have done this to themselves. Direct your anger appropriately. If I didn't warn you it would be an act of hatred to you and your children. I'm not coming for your church. They came for me and my lambs feasting upon us when we were at our weakest and most vulnerable. Look at what you've read about my posts through that lens. Otherwise the assumption is that I'm an angry bitter person. NO! I am desperate to warn you and I am not holding back the true colors of those who hold the place of office in the church of Christ. It would be unloving of me to let them continue in their sin and woefully dangerous "leading". HeidiVW Huber Woldhuis - I feel compelled to hug you someday for all the pain you experienced by so many men and family members. You and your 4 little children were utterly discarded like yesterday's trash. God will avenge you and your children for this. Your response above about enduring the vile talk and cruel hatred you received is something that resonates with me too (in fact, I cannot even imagine what is currently being said about me now). The thing I've come to learn is that the ones who stand up and speak first take all the arrows. Heidi, I hope those arrow wounds have healed for you though the scars will always remain. I am working on just trying to get the blood flow to end from those wounds, but I am determined to heal so that only the scars from the battle remain. PRCA - and most specifically Hudsonville PRC where all my stories come out of- blood shed is all around you. The time is now to address this on a denominational wide level. If you do not you are complacent and complicit in this so that you also will need to answer for the murder done to your family in Christ that you have been made aware of. You are unable to now say you never knew. Psalm 61 Hear my cry, O God; attend unto my prayer. From the end of the earth will I cry unto thee, when my heart is overwhelmed: lead me to a rock that is higher than I. For thou has been a shelter for me, and a strong tower from my enemy. I will abide in thy tabernacle for ever: I will trust in the covert of thy wings. Selah. For thou, O God, hast heard my vows: thou hast given me the heritage of those that fear thy name. Thou wilt prolong the king's life: and his years as many generations. He shall abide before God forever: O prepare mercy AND TRUTH, which may preserve him. So I will sing praise unto thy name for ever, that I may daily perform my vows.
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Post by turtledoves on Dec 8, 2022 14:09:34 GMT
Oh shoot. I meant to reply to a quote in a post above. I'm terrible with this forum. Is there a tutorial I can watch? I don't know how to select only portion of a larger message to respond to.
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Post by Hw on Dec 8, 2022 18:15:59 GMT
francefr - I appreciate this post. You said it well. Sharing stories about some of our deepest pain with a community that understands is healing in itself. I don't have to try to make this community understand, they already do. I have taken heaps of internal frustration off of my soul in doing so. In the process I have been able to tell the people who most need to hear it: the PRCA. This is where my sense of urgency comes in. I think it's why I've been unable to heal. Despite my strong words and accusations within these threads, I have a message for those who were my big church family for 40 years: I went to church with you, played on playgrounds with you, sang in unison the praises of our great God with you, I've worked along side of you in various church activities, I prayed for you when tragedy struck you or your families, I've prayed for your marriages and your children. I didn't wake up one day determined to take people down. People who are supposed to be leading you by example and taking the spiritual oversight of you have done this to themselves. Direct your anger appropriately. If I didn't warn you it would be an act of hatred to you and your children. I'm not coming for your church. They came for me and my lambs feasting upon us when we were at our weakest and most vulnerable. Look at what you've read about my posts through that lens. Otherwise the assumption is that I'm an angry bitter person. NO! I am desperate to warn you and I am not holding back the true colors of those who hold the place of office in the church of Christ. It would be unloving of me to let them continue in their sin and woefully dangerous "leading". HeidiVW Huber Woldhuis - I feel compelled to hug you someday for all the pain you experienced by so many men and family members. You and your 4 little children were utterly discarded like yesterday's trash. God will avenge you and your children for this. Your response above about enduring the vile talk and cruel hatred you received is something that resonates with me too (in fact, I cannot even imagine what is currently being said about me now). The thing I've come to learn is that the ones who stand up and speak first take all the arrows. Heidi, I hope those arrow wounds have healed for you though the scars will always remain. I am working on just trying to get the blood flow to end from those wounds, but I am determined to heal so that only the scars from the battle remain. PRCA - and most specifically Hudsonville PRC where all my stories come out of- blood shed is all around you. The time is now to address this on a denominational wide level. If you do not you are complacent and complicit in this so that you also will need to answer for the murder done to your family in Christ that you have been made aware of. You are unable to now say you never knew. Psalm 61 Hear my cry, O God; attend unto my prayer. From the end of the earth will I cry unto thee, when my heart is overwhelmed: lead me to a rock that is higher than I. For thou has been a shelter for me, and a strong tower from my enemy. I will abide in thy tabernacle for ever: I will trust in the covert of thy wings. Selah. For thou, O God, hast heard my vows: thou hast given me the heritage of those that fear thy name. Thou wilt prolong the king's life: and his years as many generations. He shall abide before God forever: O prepare mercy AND TRUTH, which may preserve him. So I will sing praise unto thy name for ever, that I may daily perform my vows. I would hug you fiercely in return. Hatred doesnt propell me. Love for the suffering and a loathing for abuse and those who cause it. I found a church home where they have surrounded me and brought spiritual healing. Now, im answering God's call to help the helpless and suffering trapped there because i do understand in a way few can. I am proud of you for your bravery and love for God's children. We welcome you here wholeheartedly!!
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