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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 1:12:41 GMT
I think a few years ago the beacon lights or could be standard bearer had an article that said the unrecoverable sin was that you blasphemed the Holy Spirit, which the idea was that you were not elect because the Holy Spirit was not in you. The bible teaches its a sin to take a life, and we need to repent of all our sins. Sure you can argue about whether or not you would have time to repent, and other similar arguments, but I think that is missing the point. So if you are Calvinist and believe in TULIP, wouldn't that be some what of a conundrum to say you believe in Preservation of the saints but God still lets the elect commit a sin of rebellion against God by destroying the temple of the Holy Spirit? I was under the impression most PR's were taught this idea. Unfortunately, the question isn't as black and white as the prc makes it. That rag, the 'standard bearer', tries to make a standard for spirituality. That's the first error. The standard bearer is as misleading to Christians as the news media is to the general public. What nerve for the prc to claim they know if a person goes to heaven or hell! A person so deeply involved in their own emotions to go as far as suicide leaves a massive wake of sorrow behind in the people they leave behind. I can't imagine the sorrow that is added to those who are misguided by this cult to believe their loved ones go to hell. The crazy thing is that the belief that suicide means hell because a person doesn't have time to repent, falls right into works righteousness. We aren't saved because WE repent, are we? What a screwed up mess the prc has made of doctrine. Wait a second......quote for me where the pr says that you are going to hell or heaven. Give me a direct honest quote! And do you think God truly intended for one of His to take their life? No matter the difficulties a child of God bears there is Christ to sustain us. We are' not' saved because we repent..... But as children of His don't we WANT to? You people are twisting everything to what 'you' want others to believe. If one truly believes in predestination and election and the forgiveness of sins then live that way. Stop casting your judgement on our churches. Just live the way Christ intends you to live. Sure, bitterness happens and sin must be confronted. Don't spew your hatred. Confront it. Live Christlike. Many prayers are with you
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Post by cannalily on Sept 10, 2015 2:14:05 GMT
Unfortunately, the question isn't as black and white as the prc makes it. That rag, the 'standard bearer', tries to make a standard for spirituality. That's the first error. The standard bearer is as misleading to Christians as the news media is to the general public. What nerve for the prc to claim they know if a person goes to heaven or hell! A person so deeply involved in their own emotions to go as far as suicide leaves a massive wake of sorrow behind in the people they leave behind. I can't imagine the sorrow that is added to those who are misguided by this cult to believe their loved ones go to hell. The crazy thing is that the belief that suicide means hell because a person doesn't have time to repent, falls right into works righteousness. We aren't saved because WE repent, are we? What a screwed up mess the prc has made of doctrine. Wait a second......quote for me where the pr says that you are going to hell or heaven. Give me a direct honest quote! And do you think God truly intended for one of His to take their life? No matter the difficulties a child of God bears there is Christ to sustain us. We are' not' saved because we repent..... But as children of His don't we WANT to? You people are twisting everything to what 'you' want others to believe. If one truly believes in predestination and election and the forgiveness of sins then live that way. Stop casting your judgement on our churches. Just live the way Christ intends you to live. Sure, bitterness happens and sin must be confronted. Don't spew your hatred. Confront it. Live Christlike. Many prayers are with you This coming from someone who called this site a "farce", then said that they were going to leave. Tell me "truth", who's the farce now? And who uses this term "farce", anyway? Tell me, how many prayers have you made? Maybe they're being answered, just not to your liking! I'm not sure I'm twisting anything. I had serious questions - which were quoted by your friend, stillPRC. Why not answer my original question?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 2:42:43 GMT
Wait a second......quote for me where the pr says that you are going to hell or heaven. Give me a direct honest quote! And do you think God truly intended for one of His to take their life? No matter the difficulties a child of God bears there is Christ to sustain us. We are' not' saved because we repent..... But as children of His don't we WANT to? You people are twisting everything to what 'you' want others to believe. If one truly believes in predestination and election and the forgiveness of sins then live that way. Stop casting your judgement on our churches. Just live the way Christ intends you to live. Sure, bitterness happens and sin must be confronted. Don't spew your hatred. Confront it. Live Christlike. Many prayers are with you This coming from someone who called this site a "farce", then said that they were going to leave. Tell me "truth", who's the farce now? And who uses this term "farce", anyway? Tell me, how many prayers have you made? Maybe they're being answered, just not to your liking! I'm not sure I'm twisting anything. I had serious questions - which were quoted by your friend, stillPRC. Why not answer my original question? Oh cannalily, Keep dodging the questions. Okay, I'll go there.... What was your original question?
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Post by cannalily on Sept 10, 2015 2:52:28 GMT
This coming from someone who called this site a "farce", then said that they were going to leave. Tell me "truth", who's the farce now? And who uses this term "farce", anyway? Tell me, how many prayers have you made? Maybe they're being answered, just not to your liking! I'm not sure I'm twisting anything. I had serious questions - which were quoted by your friend, stillPRC. Why not answer my original question? Oh cannalily, Keep dodging the questions. Okay, I'll go there.... What was your original question? Feel free to read the thread.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 2:56:18 GMT
Oh cannalily, Keep dodging the questions. Okay, I'll go there.... What was your original question? Feel free to read the thread. [br Sorry, No time for that. Carry on
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Post by cannalily on Sept 10, 2015 2:56:57 GMT
Feel free to read the thread. [br Sorry, No time for that. Carry on Oh, I get it. Hit and run yet again? You can't read the very thread you're posting in?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 3:09:16 GMT
[br Sorry, No time for that. Carry on Oh, I get it. Hit and run yet again? You can't read the very thread you're posting in? Is the question does one who commits suicide go to heaven? That's the only question I could gather from the thread. How in the world would I know that? No one, yes NO ONE, has ever given an answer to that because one can't. Only God can. And, come judgement day..... When we ALL meet our maker, he will make it known.
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Post by cannalily on Sept 10, 2015 3:17:05 GMT
Oh, I get it. Hit and run yet again? You can't read the very thread you're posting in? Is the question does one who commits suicide go to heaven? That's the only question I could gather from the thread. How in the world would I know that? No one, yes NO ONE, has ever given an answer to that because one can't. Only God can. And, come judgement day..... When we ALL meet our maker, he will make it known. That wasn't the question. You conveniently changed the question so that you could answer it. Answer mine. How about quoting me in the very first post?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 3:31:11 GMT
Is the question does one who commits suicide go to heaven? That's the only question I could gather from the thread. How in the world would I know that? No one, yes NO ONE, has ever given an answer to that because one can't. Only God can. And, come judgement day..... When we ALL meet our maker, he will make it known. That wasn't the question. You conveniently changed the question so that you could answer it. Answer mine. How about quoting me in the very first post? Just ask me your question. and what quote?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 3:34:41 GMT
That wasn't the question. You conveniently changed the question so that you could answer it. Answer mine. How about quoting me in the very first post? Just ask me your question. and what quote? Wait, was it 'is suicide the unforgivable sin'? No. It's not. But would you really want to go there? I have to answer for my own sins. Not yours. Just mine. I can't fathom taking my life and truly not know where I'll end up. Scary stuff right there
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Post by cannalily on Sept 10, 2015 3:41:36 GMT
Just ask me your question. and what quote? Wait, was it 'is suicide the unforgivable sin'? No. It's not. But would you really want to go there? I have to answer for my own sins. Not yours. Just mine. I can't fathom taking my life and truly not know where I'll end up. Scary stuff right there Wow, serious reading comprehension when PRC people are outside of the box. Here's my first post in this thread:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 3:48:44 GMT
Wait, was it 'is suicide the unforgivable sin'? No. It's not. But would you really want to go there? I have to answer for my own sins. Not yours. Just mine. I can't fathom taking my life and truly not know where I'll end up. Scary stuff right there Wow, serious reading comprehension when PRC people are outside of the box. Here's my first post in this thread: Wow, serious arrogance from you cannalily. Being raised pr we are taught suicide is a sin. Again, the unforgivable sin? No. I personally teach my children suicide IS a sin. I can't even begin to imagine how I would be if that happened. Just the not knowing where my loved one is. Thankful I'm not the judge on that one. But again, please give me the quote and who said it on whoever commits suicide is going to hell.
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Post by cannalily on Sept 10, 2015 3:56:09 GMT
Wow, serious reading comprehension when PRC people are outside of the box. Here's my first post in this thread: Wow, serious arrogance from you cannalily. Being raised pr we are taught suicide is a sin. Again, the unforgivable sin? No. I personally teach my children suicide IS a sin. I can't even begin to imagine how I would be if that happened. Just the not knowing where my loved one is. Thankful I'm not the judge on that one. But again, please give me the quote and who said it on whoever commits suicide is going to hell. Yeah, hello Pot. Hello kettle. I no longer have patience for people who want to twist the truth around.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 4:02:50 GMT
Wow, serious arrogance from you cannalily. Being raised pr we are taught suicide is a sin. Again, the unforgivable sin? No. I personally teach my children suicide IS a sin. I can't even begin to imagine how I would be if that happened. Just the not knowing where my loved one is. Thankful I'm not the judge on that one. But again, please give me the quote and who said it on whoever commits suicide is going to hell. Yeah, hello Pot. Hello kettle. I no longer have patience for people who want to twist the truth around. And guess what. I have neither the time or patience for one who can't answer questions directed to them. I twisted nothing. Don't like my answer? Fine. but don't sit there on your high horse and ignore questions .
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Post by cannalily on Sept 10, 2015 4:06:24 GMT
Yeah, hello Pot. Hello kettle. I no longer have patience for people who want to twist the truth around. And guess what. I have neither the time or patience for one who can't answer questions directed to them. I twisted nothing. Don't like my answer? Fine. but don't sit there on your high horse and ignore questions . High horse? Aren't you the one that said you were leaving? And yet you lurk. Aren't you the one calling out other people? Who's high horse are you talking about? If this place is such a "Farce" as you put it, why are you still here? What game are you trying to play?
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